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JG March 13th 05 05:12 AM

You're so totally full of **** that even the chickens are laughing. You're
an abusive drunk, who claims to be a man but isn't.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"katysails" wrote in message

Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not
that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so
important to you...


Important? No Kitty.... it's merely par for the course when dealing with
Gaynzy. Slapping around of such an obviously annoying little twit isn't
done to elevate my standing.... that's already understood. I suppose I
could ignore him... but what sport is there in that?

You do understand that he brings this action upon himself of his own
volition don't you? He is free to communicate in a rational manner but
refuses to do so. If he had any senses at all he wouldn't be killfiled by
so many people.

CM




JG March 13th 05 05:12 AM

You're completely and totally wrong, as usual. Bwahahahaaaaaa....

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your
ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is
aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care
how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry
day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to
be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their
bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able
to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and
everything to do with survival....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84...
Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive
attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom
of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not
have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to
comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed
to logic.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas
aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment
lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and
then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their
goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue
to rise....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89...
I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous
assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male...
aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is
not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a
position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness
and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as
anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it
worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in
but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an
enlightened society is an anachronism...


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and
assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself
despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the
logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive.

Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that
aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression
between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be
comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is
dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the
youngest of our gender.

CM



CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in
the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the
ground.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84...
You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of
asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your
subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This
situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral
indifference.

CM


"katysails" wrote in message
...
I am assertive....not aggressive....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Aggression need not be physical....

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots,
chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your
own advise.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct
and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate
and walk away from aggression?





























Capt. Mooron March 13th 05 06:07 AM


"JG" wrote in message
...
I'm sure you visit them regularly. Interesting that you call them your
"girls." Well, I suppose that's better than calling them your "boys," and
I doubt the roosters would put up with your advances.


Of course I "visit" them regularly Gaynzy... they are on the property and
require feeding/watering daily!! How totally idiotic can you possibly be
not to comprehend that? I don't call them my girls Jon... just "the
Girls"... like I call you just "a Homo"!

Yes, I'm aware of the general location of Nova Scotia. It's still a heck
of a lot colder than sunny California... in the high 70s low 80s today.
I've been sailing all week. Bwaahahahaaaaaa....


The general location???? Yeah it's colder but we don't have anywhere near
the amount of raving queers you do in California. That's a trade off I can
live with ... you friggin' homo.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Oh no... they have a cedar shingled 8'x12' Chook House, windows, lights,
heat with an enclosed 12'x12' pen that has a metal roof. The lighting is
on a timer and a 6 CD player is installed. A dust vent system and exhaust
fan control air quality. The "girls" live a good life and enjoy their
stay well beyond their productive span to die of old age. Any chicken
would give it's eye teeth to stay there.

By the way... you are aware I don't live in the Arctic anymore aren't
you? You do know where Nova Scotia is don't you?

CM


"JG" wrote in message
...
Bwahahahaaa... I'm amazed your chickens don't freeze to death. Oh
wait... I forgot, they live in your house.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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Nova Scotia????? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa!!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Yeah, in the frozen tundra where no one wants to live. Might make a
nice vacation home. I think I'll stick to the warmer lats.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:47:23 GMT, "Scout"
said:

But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape
together 20% of $500K for a down payment.

Happens all the time. And in the Manhattan market, if they have to
scrape
together 20% of $500K for the down payment they're not gonna get to
first
base. The coop board will turn them down.

Isn't that where Bob lives???? Do you think his apartment is worth
$500K??
Man.. $500K will buy you 60 acres of oceanside and a house up this
way!
$50K will buy you a 15 acre farm, with house, barns and out
buildings......

CM














Capt. Mooron March 13th 05 06:10 AM

You are such a gay little foreskin wrangler Gaynzy!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
You're so totally full of **** that even the chickens are laughing. You're
an abusive drunk, who claims to be a man but isn't.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:rpNYd.23943$ZO2.16513@edtnps84...

"katysails" wrote in message

Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not
that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so
important to you...


Important? No Kitty.... it's merely par for the course when dealing
with Gaynzy. Slapping around of such an obviously annoying little twit
isn't done to elevate my standing.... that's already understood. I
suppose I could ignore him... but what sport is there in that?

You do understand that he brings this action upon himself of his own
volition don't you? He is free to communicate in a rational manner but
refuses to do so. If he had any senses at all he wouldn't be killfiled by
so many people.

CM






Capt. Mooron March 13th 05 06:13 AM

DUH!!!.... it proves you're a limp wristed little faggot!!!

You fudge packin' little homo!

CM


"JG" wrote in message
...
It proves something to himself. It's a bit sad actually.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not
that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so
important to you...


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:xwMYd.23933$ZO2.21646@edtnps84...

"JG" wrote in message
...
I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's
rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just
plain stupid.

Well now Gaynzy... you're neither aggressive nor assertive... you're
just an annoying, whining little homo! Your incapacity of emulating any
masculine traits is positive proof that you are a limp wristed, lisping
queer! Your tendency to effeminate behaviour has no doubt been the root
cause of the abuse you've suffered throughout life.

Now why don't you return to memorizing the Vagina Monologues and reapply
more Preparation H while awaiting your next caller....

CM









Capt. Mooron March 13th 05 06:14 AM

Gaynzy thinks he's being assertive when he's takin' it up the ass!

You little homo!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
You're completely and totally wrong, as usual. Bwahahahaaaaaa....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84...
Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your
ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is
aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care
how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on
laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive
personality.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to
be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their
bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able
to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and
everything to do with survival....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84...
Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive
attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom
of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not
have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to
comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as
opposed to logic.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas
aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment
lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and
then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their
goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue
to rise....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89...
I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make
erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average
male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive
nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few
women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of
aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to
do with it.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as
anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it
worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in
but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an
enlightened society is an anachronism...


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84...
NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and
assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself
despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the
logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive.

Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that
aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression
between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be
comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is
dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the
youngest of our gender.

CM



CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in
the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the
ground.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84...
You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of
asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your
subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This
situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral
indifference.

CM


"katysails" wrote in message
...
I am assertive....not aggressive....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90...
Aggression need not be physical....

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the
boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89...
You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your
own advise.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct
and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate
and walk away from aggression?































Scout March 13th 05 09:28 AM

non-union construction workers. ; o)
close inspection showed the 4 year old place was falling apart!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I know, but I made three trips with the trailer today (moving) and

I'm punch
drunk.


the 'big' trailer? Man, I hate moving. I had 4 traier loads last time
we moved, It's probably up to 8 now.


We haven't found a house yet, but ours sold in 13 days so we have to

get
out. We taking a townhouse with a 3 month lease until we can find a

suitable
place.


Bummer. What happened to the Coventry house? We moved into our new
house before the old one was sold, had double mortgage payments for a
few months.

Scotty





Scout March 13th 05 09:31 AM

Well you're right about that!
One's position just depends on what side one's bread is buttered. And you're
also right that both the employer and the union can screw each other and the
workers; it's a delicate balance of power.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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I've been a member of several unions during my employment history.
I afford them as much trust as I do my employer.... little if any.
To rise to the defence of any soulless entity... be it union , employer or
government is pointless. Align yourself with whatever profits you... for
as long as it does so.

A case in point would be the Giant Mine strike in Yellowknife..... where
the personal prejudices of both union boss and employer destroyed the
lives of many.
The union members were left to hang due to the petty squabbles of a few
and the indifference of the government and law enforcement.

CM



"Scout" wrote in message
...
CM,
I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've
been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made
eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things
are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:YpFYd.46457$fc4.9578@edtnps89...

"Scout" wrote in message

Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up
and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share
of the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be
glad to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made
bar room fights look like a day at the beach.

Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in
society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with
union activity.


It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the
day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the
modern workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with
me. People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks.
ASA provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true.
Government and big business are one and the same, and together they are
still the Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today
more than ever. God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the
offer of "take it or shove it." He can do so only because others have
paid the cost, and continue to pay the price, for that privilege.

Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our
current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods
acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on
the general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative
view of society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as
pricks at all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little
homo].... their posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to
hone my abilities to defend a position. Considering the anonymity
provided by this medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not
far worse. In effect we self police.

In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has
been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of
union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior
to others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the
consumer will bear.

CM








Scout March 13th 05 09:33 AM

We did, they also happened to be lawyers.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why didn't you send over a couple of union thugs to break his legs?

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Yep, but notice that I carefully couched my reference to "fools in

debt."
There are always legitimate cases where honest people have fallen on

hard
times and it is in the best interest of the rest of us to help them

regain
their balance.
There are others, of course, like the big casino mahof, who hired my

company
to do his mechanical construction and then claimed (planned)

bankruptcy. He
offered us 10 cents on the dollar. As you can see, he is no where

near
bankrupt and planned to let the contractors pay for his casino. We

said no,
beat him in court, and got all of our money.
Scout


"JG" wrote in message
...
I agree, but a very large number are in that situation because of

family
problems, such as illness or death of a spouse or child/parent.

Most are
not cheating the system.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
No they don't. What they do is offer the card at a lower rate and

then
let it crawl like ivy up a wall.
And by the way, I'm all for making bankruptcy more difficult for

fools in
debt. Why should we all pay for their lack of discipline.

Wouldn't Neal
be surprised.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote ...
What it means is that people who can scrape together two
nickels to save will get 1.5% interest while credit card

companies
rape
people for 20% (check out Citi-Bank's earnings and policies).

Rape? Anybody that uses a CC deserves what they get charged.

it's not
like they hide the int. rates.

Scotty















Scout March 13th 05 09:35 AM

I wouldn't know about Manhattan; I can't think of one newlywed couple
dreaming of living there.
btw - did you read the article I linked in reply to your link?
Scout

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:47:23 GMT, "Scout" said:

But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape
together 20% of $500K for a down payment.


Happens all the time. And in the Manhattan market, if they have to scrape
together 20% of $500K for the down payment they're not gonna get to first
base. The coop board will turn them down.





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