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Yep, but notice that I carefully couched my reference to "fools in debt."
There are always legitimate cases where honest people have fallen on hard times and it is in the best interest of the rest of us to help them regain their balance. There are others, of course, like the big casino mahof, who hired my company to do his mechanical construction and then claimed (planned) bankruptcy. He offered us 10 cents on the dollar. As you can see, he is no where near bankrupt and planned to let the contractors pay for his casino. We said no, beat him in court, and got all of our money. Scout "JG" wrote in message ... I agree, but a very large number are in that situation because of family problems, such as illness or death of a spouse or child/parent. Most are not cheating the system. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... No they don't. What they do is offer the card at a lower rate and then let it crawl like ivy up a wall. And by the way, I'm all for making bankruptcy more difficult for fools in debt. Why should we all pay for their lack of discipline. Wouldn't Neal be surprised. Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote ... What it means is that people who can scrape together two nickels to save will get 1.5% interest while credit card companies rape people for 20% (check out Citi-Bank's earnings and policies). Rape? Anybody that uses a CC deserves what they get charged. it's not like they hide the int. rates. Scotty |
Did you read your own linked article - all the way to the end? And you still
think the inflated prices of houses is a good thing? You really believe everyone is living happily ever after here? Your wife may be making a killing with her 6% or 7% cut, goodie for you! But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape together 20% of $500K for a down payment. Scout "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:21:54 GMT, "Scout" said: What it means is young people must wait for their parents to die to get their first home. More nonsense. Simple fact is that the percentage of Americans owning their own homes continues to steadily increase. This is an area I know something about as my wife is a real estate broker. The average age of first time buyers also continues to decline. Where are you getting these "facts"? |
Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas
aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
I've been a member of several unions during my employment history.
I afford them as much trust as I do my employer.... little if any. To rise to the defence of any soulless entity... be it union , employer or government is pointless. Align yourself with whatever profits you... for as long as it does so. A case in point would be the Giant Mine strike in Yellowknife..... where the personal prejudices of both union boss and employer destroyed the lives of many. The union members were left to hang due to the petty squabbles of a few and the indifference of the government and law enforcement. CM "Scout" wrote in message ... CM, I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia. Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:YpFYd.46457$fc4.9578@edtnps89... "Scout" wrote in message Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar room fights look like a day at the beach. Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union activity. It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the modern workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with me. People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks. ASA provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true. Government and big business are one and the same, and together they are still the Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today more than ever. God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the offer of "take it or shove it." He can do so only because others have paid the cost, and continue to pay the price, for that privilege. Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on the general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative view of society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as pricks at all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little homo].... their posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to hone my abilities to defend a position. Considering the anonymity provided by this medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not far worse. In effect we self police. In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior to others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the consumer will bear. CM |
Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive
attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:47:23 GMT, "Scout" said: But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape together 20% of $500K for a down payment. Happens all the time. And in the Manhattan market, if they have to scrape together 20% of $500K for the down payment they're not gonna get to first base. The coop board will turn them down. Isn't that where Bob lives???? Do you think his apartment is worth $500K?? Man.. $500K will buy you 60 acres of oceanside and a house up this way! $50K will buy you a 15 acre farm, with house, barns and out buildings...... CM |
I agree and I did notice. The ones similar to who you desribed should be
prosecuted and certainly denied the ability to get away with bankruptcy, but there are lesser fools out there who are really just unsophisticated. They deserve our compassion. I did a field trip a few years ago to the bankruptcy court. Most of the people there were really hard luck cases. I recall one young woman, probably in her early to mid 20s, attempting to declare bc due to debts totally less than $5K. The judge successfully talked her out of it. She didn't really understand the consequences of what she was doing. Most of the rest were poor working people and the elderly. If you haven't been to the court, you should definitely check it out. It was quite depressing. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... Yep, but notice that I carefully couched my reference to "fools in debt." There are always legitimate cases where honest people have fallen on hard times and it is in the best interest of the rest of us to help them regain their balance. There are others, of course, like the big casino mahof, who hired my company to do his mechanical construction and then claimed (planned) bankruptcy. He offered us 10 cents on the dollar. As you can see, he is no where near bankrupt and planned to let the contractors pay for his casino. We said no, beat him in court, and got all of our money. Scout "JG" wrote in message ... I agree, but a very large number are in that situation because of family problems, such as illness or death of a spouse or child/parent. Most are not cheating the system. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... No they don't. What they do is offer the card at a lower rate and then let it crawl like ivy up a wall. And by the way, I'm all for making bankruptcy more difficult for fools in debt. Why should we all pay for their lack of discipline. Wouldn't Neal be surprised. Scout "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Scout" wrote ... What it means is that people who can scrape together two nickels to save will get 1.5% interest while credit card companies rape people for 20% (check out Citi-Bank's earnings and policies). Rape? Anybody that uses a CC deserves what they get charged. it's not like they hide the int. rates. Scotty |
Yeah, in the frozen tundra where no one wants to live. Might make a nice
vacation home. I think I'll stick to the warmer lats. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:YyLYd.23822$ZO2.20783@edtnps84... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:47:23 GMT, "Scout" said: But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape together 20% of $500K for a down payment. Happens all the time. And in the Manhattan market, if they have to scrape together 20% of $500K for the down payment they're not gonna get to first base. The coop board will turn them down. Isn't that where Bob lives???? Do you think his apartment is worth $500K?? Man.. $500K will buy you 60 acres of oceanside and a house up this way! $50K will buy you a 15 acre farm, with house, barns and out buildings...... CM |
I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's
rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just plain stupid. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
"Scout" wrote in message ... I know, but I made three trips with the trailer today (moving) and I'm punch drunk. the 'big' trailer? Man, I hate moving. I had 4 traier loads last time we moved, It's probably up to 8 now. We haven't found a house yet, but ours sold in 13 days so we have to get out. We taking a townhouse with a 3 month lease until we can find a suitable place. Bummer. What happened to the Coventry house? We moved into our new house before the old one was sold, had double mortgage payments for a few months. Scotty |
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