If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how
to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created
a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the
buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he made
using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the school's
front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are reminded
daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot and stare
contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This kid took
what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and integrated that
with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent and deep. And to
think, this kid wanted to quit school because people like our president
told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a flowery essay to
describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can cause
the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending school.
These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is staring out the
window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not based on
pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of life
on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to learn
fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science). When kids
find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn those
skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC programming,
from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to advertising, our kids
are blossoming into productive citizenship! What they're not doing is
repairing shoes, what they are doing is building smart robots, producing
detailed architectural drawings, and programming emission systems to
improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and then
blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way to pay
for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw 'em. It's
important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a way to
retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system

Amen!
What Horvath and Bush don't seem to get is that not everyone is inspired by
the same method.
Both also seem to imply that vocational students are future burger flippers.
I hope Horvy figures out the truth so he's not too shocked when he finds out
my 10th grade students are more qualified for a job in telephony than he is.
Bush is just a liar. He knows vocational schools are turning out qualified
hi-techies. That's why he sends the military in so often to recruit.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how
to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created
a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the
buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he
made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the
school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are
reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot
and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This
kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and
integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent
and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people
like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a
flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not
based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn
those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming
emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and
then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way
to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw
'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a
way to retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

Maybe 3" or so here.
I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business keeps me
hopping.
Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed in a
few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6 picoCuries),
and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20
average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and there is
nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took my
deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the deal.
We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still waiting
to here back.
Scout


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system

That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They
told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Maybe 3" or so here.
I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business
keeps me
hopping.
Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed
in a
few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6
picoCuries),
and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20
average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and
there is
nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took
my
deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the
deal.
We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still
waiting
to here back.
Scout


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new
place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools,
students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second
chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy
(rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system

Not that I missed the joke, but... you should really remediate the situation
if you have high levels of radon.
Radioactive gas can't be good for your lungs. I like alpha-bet soup but
alpha-particle soup is a different story!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They
told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Maybe 3" or so here.
I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business
keeps me
hopping.
Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed
in a
few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6
picoCuries),
and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20
average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and
there is
nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took
my
deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the
deal.
We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still
waiting
to here back.
Scout


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new
place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools,
students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second
chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy
(rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They
told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing.

;-)....

Radon testing is really about as accurate as spinning a wheel of fortune.
Seal the basement and no worries. The worst cases are in the "air-tight"
homes with exchangers.... poor air quality and higher Radon levels. I live
in a high Radon Gas area as well. The meter didn't even register it in my
basement.

Malfunctioning Septic Systems are a bad thing though... since you have to
recertify to the latest standards and often it requires a major field and
tank overhaul / replacement.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Radon testing is really about as accurate as spinning a wheel of fortune.
Seal the basement and no worries. The worst cases are in the "air-tight"
homes with exchangers.... poor air quality and higher Radon levels. I live
in a high Radon Gas area as well. The meter didn't even register it in my
basement.
by seal you mean the outside walls? during construction? do you know of any
seal that can be done on the inside basement wall post-construction? From
what I've heard, the recommended levels will probably change in the future,
as the current limit of 4 pc's was extrapolated from data gathered on
uranium miners.


Malfunctioning Septic Systems are a bad thing though... since you have to
recertify to the latest standards and often it requires a major field and
tank overhaul / replacement.
yeah, there was some coliform in the well water I forgot to mention.
Probably due to the s.sys. but who knows. there are lots of farms around,
could be from manure fertilizer.

"Scout" wrote in message

by seal you mean the outside walls? during construction? do you know of
any seal that can be done on the inside basement wall post-construction?
From what I've heard, the recommended levels will probably change in the
future, as the current limit of 4 pc's was extrapolated from data gathered
on uranium miners.

The meters are not really accurate..... in other words you won't get the
same reading twice in the same place and many conditions can affect the
results. By seal I mean that no apparent cracks in the floor or foundation.
Radon is released at very low volumes and cannot penetrate airtight
structures. If in doubt apply an expoxy seal to the basement floor and
walls. Make certain the house pad is extended at least a meter and a half
beyond the foundation and has a gradation to provide a sufficent void
ratios.

yeah, there was some coliform in the well water I forgot to mention.
Probably due to the s.sys. but who knows. there are lots of farms around,
could be from manure fertilizer.

At that point I would suggest tapping a much deeper aquifer and sealing the
drill hole. It's amazing that to this day some of the inspectors will
certify a septic system located up stream of the well with no testing to
confirm substrate conditions or seepage.

CM

I can see how your own education is lacking, especially in
your studies of grammar. Why don't you take a course on
how to create paragraphs before you post such illiteracy
as you did below.

CN


"Scout" wrote in message ...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much like
you were, kids who've made big snip