Amen!
What Horvath and Bush don't seem to get is that not everyone is inspired by
the same method.
Both also seem to imply that vocational students are future burger flippers.
I hope Horvy figures out the truth so he's not too shocked when he finds out
my 10th grade students are more qualified for a job in telephony than he is.
Bush is just a liar. He knows vocational schools are turning out qualified
hi-techies. That's why he sends the military in so often to recruit.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how
to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created
a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the
buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he
made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the
school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are
reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot
and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This
kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and
integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent
and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people
like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a
flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not
based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn
those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming
emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and
then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way
to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw
'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a
way to retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:59:03 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Amen!
What Horvath and Bush don't seem to get is that not everyone is inspired by
the same method.
Both also seem to imply that vocational students are future burger flippers.
I hope Horvy figures out the truth so he's not too shocked when he finds out
my 10th grade students are more qualified for a job in telephony than he is.


Ha Ha Ha Ha HA! Not a chance. I wouldn't hire any one of them





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

They're not asking you to hire them. They're your competition!


"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:59:03 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

Amen!
What Horvath and Bush don't seem to get is that not everyone is inspired
by
the same method.
Both also seem to imply that vocational students are future burger
flippers.
I hope Horvy figures out the truth so he's not too shocked when he finds
out
my 10th grade students are more qualified for a job in telephony than he
is.


Ha Ha Ha Ha HA! Not a chance. I wouldn't hire any one of them





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed to
support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on how
to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students much
like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he re-created
a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated all the
buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers, which he
made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight in the
school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and disintegrate, we are
reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull into our parking lot
and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes a person think. This
kid took what he learned about metals and welding techniques, and
integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The result is magnificent
and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit school because people
like our president told him he was a failure because he couldn't write a
flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is not
based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn
those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming
emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and
then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way
to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw
'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a
way to retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

....and you have how many children again Jon???

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed
to support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on
how to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders
of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead
of participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance
to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school system
that would use it's technical annex as a dumping ground for the learning
disabled, the trouble makers, and in general, young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them, challenge
them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For many of our
students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school diploma AND real
skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he
re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated
all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers,
which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight
in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and
disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull
into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes
a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding
techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The
result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit
school because people like our president told him he was a failure
because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is
not based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to learn
those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and programming
emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about isn't
it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it will with
and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just business. That's
why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of public schools and
then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each family can find a way
to pay for the education of their kids. If they can't afford it, screw
'em. It's important that social security be deemed a failure too; find a
way to retire without it all you civil servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to memorize
or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom, failure
is a
no-no.

Unlike Neal, I'm not a pedofile.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:IsqSd.19585$NN.13986@edtnps89...
...and you have how many children again Jon???

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
No, it's the parents who must inspire the child. The teacher is supposed
to support the enthusiasm and open up even more pathways to knowledge.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:ZylSd.17861$NN.13680@edtnps89...
If a teacher can't inspire the will to learn in their students..... they
have failed at their profession.
Damn it all... now I'm starting to consider that maybe my grade 9
education isn't sufficient.
Mind you it never seems to bother me when I'm directing an engineer on
how to his job.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational blunders
of G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming
instead of participating in the classroom activities, are given a
second chance to learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's
Taxonomy (rote). Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a
public school system that would use it's technical annex as a dumping
ground for the learning disabled, the trouble makers, and in general,
young malcontents.
We take what they consider to be trash, and we re-awaken them,
challenge them, polish them into productive, self-respecting gems. For
many of our students, the vo-tech allows them to get a high school
diploma AND real skills they can use. Our kids show their genius every
day.
Consider one welding student I know. For his senior project he
re-created a few blocks of Manhattan around ground-zero. He fabricated
all the buildings using stainless steel, except for the twin towers,
which he made using mild steel. The entire piece sits under a spotlight
in the school's front-yard. As we watch the towers rust and
disintegrate, we are reminded daily of the tragedy of 911. People pull
into our parking lot and stare contemplatively at the project. It makes
a person think. This kid took what he learned about metals and welding
techniques, and integrated that with what he felt in his heart. The
result is magnificent and deep. And to think, this kid wanted to quit
school because people like our president told him he was a failure
because he couldn't write a flowery essay to describe his ideas!
Thanks to the Bush's standardized testing policies, traditional high
schools are sending swarms of kids who perform poorly on these written
tests to the full curriculum vo-techs, so their poor test scores can
cause the vo-techs to get Bush's public spanking instead of the sending
school. These tests don't acknowledge the genius of the kid who is
staring out the window and germinating the seeds of a success that is
not based on pedantic learning.
We have PhDs, engineers, nurses, and professionals from many walks of
life on staff, guiding these students and giving them new motivation to
learn fundamentals (show them why they need to know math and science).
When kids find a reason for abstract thinking, they work harder to
learn those skills as well.
And these are the schools that Bush wants to close. He calls our kids
"shoe makers" I believe. He is a fool! He has no clue what level of
technology our kids are achieving. From bio-technology to CNC
programming, from masonry to hvac to roofing, from engineering to
advertising, our kids are blossoming into productive citizenship! What
they're not doing is repairing shoes, what they are doing is building
smart robots, producing detailed architectural drawings, and
programming emission systems to improve air quality and gas mileage.
Go ahead Bush, close the schools that are helping our challenging but
nonetheless brilliant kids. Send the money to Iraq so they can have the
things you want to deny American kids!
The only thing that scares me more than this jerk-off's ideas about
schools is the fact that he now wants to apply the same "privatization"
mentality to social security. That's really what this is all about
isn't it? Privatize everything so business in America can do what it
will with and to the American people. Nothing personal, it's just
business. That's why it's important that Bush cause the collapse of
public schools and then blame them for it. If it all goes well, each
family can find a way to pay for the education of their kids. If they
can't afford it, screw 'em. It's important that social security be
deemed a failure too; find a way to retire without it all you civil
servants!
In the end, the only thing Bush won't privatize will be the IRS.
Scout. Phew!


"jlrogers±³©" wrote
[snip]
First-We must have a dream that motivates us. No one has ever
achieved
anything without a dream attached to a burning desire.

Second-We must learn how-to-learn. In school, we learn how to
memorize or
be taught. Learning how to learn frees our dependency on others for
knowledge.

Third-We must learn from failure and learn how to bounce back from
failure. No one ever succeed without failure. In the classroom,
failure is a
no-no.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:16:56 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

...and you have how many children again Jon???


He CAN'T have children. He doesn't have sex with women.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system

Maybe 3" or so here.
I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business keeps me
hopping.
Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed in a
few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6 picoCuries),
and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20
average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and there is
nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took my
deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the deal.
We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still waiting
to here back.
Scout


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools, students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy (rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system

That's a shame. I wouldn't worry too much about the radon level. They
told us our house has very high radon, but we never smell a thing.

Scotty

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Maybe 3" or so here.
I've got a backlog of AutoCAD drawings to work on. My side business
keeps me
hopping.
Regarding the house: I did the inspection on the place and it failed
in a
few critical areas. Septic system failed, radon was high (5.6
picoCuries),
and I took (power line) milligauss readings inside the place (15-20
average). The owner was unwilling to negotiate the upgrades and
there is
nothing he could do about the power lines, so I walked away and took
my
deposit with me. The high radon level was my free pass out of the
deal.
We made an offer on a nice place in East Coventry yesterday. Still
waiting
to here back.
Scout


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Whoa Scout! Take it easy, enjoy your day off. You get much snow
down your way? Only 2'', topped with ice here. How's the new
place
coming?

Scotty



"Scout" wrote in message
...
Reading your story only emphasizes how tragic the educational
blunders of
G.W.Bush truly are. In America's vocational high schools,
students
much like
you were, kids who've made a career out of daydreaming instead of
participating in the classroom activities, are given a second
chance
to
learn in a way that is not at the bottom of Bloom's Taxonomy
(rote).
Vocational teachers look beyond the corruption of a public school
system