Hee, hee! Ok, Doug, ya got me on the Windows-specific thing. Actually,
I spent a couple of years around '90 working on Mac stuff. (You do know
that MS has historically been their biggest applications supplier?) I
probably used 'em harder than most people; but I got that damned
"anarchist's bomb" (BSOD equivalent) pretty regularly. And I know lots
of graphic artists, etc. who are much happier in the Mac environment.
Anyway...

As for sailing with software, I've decided that it's too high-tech for
me. I'm sure it wins races to have all that info to massage; but I'd
just prefer to enjoy the *feel* of sailing, even if it means coming in
second behind the guys who have a coupla software geeks on their crew
crunching data fulltime. I suspect I have more *fun* than they do.

The website you cited *is* the airplane I love. A joy to fly, roomiest
cockpit in the universe, excellent visibility, cruise at 200, and
stall-proof. But I'm a pilot not a builder. Gotta find one already
built, just the way I want, for a good price. Right. Oh yeah, and
convince my wife that we really do *need* an airplane.
Good luck to me on that one!

Frank wrote:
Hee, hee! Ok, Doug, ya got me on the Windows-specific thing. Actually,
I spent a couple of years around '90 working on Mac stuff. (You do know
that MS has historically been their biggest applications supplier?)

I didn't know that. Is that why MS bought up Apple?

... I
probably used 'em harder than most people; but I got that damned
"anarchist's bomb" (BSOD equivalent) pretty regularly.

I've seen that a few times, but nowhere near as often as Windows
crashes. Usually what happens is that the Mac decides something is
rotten in the state of Denmark, saves your file with a marker on the
desktop, and kills the process. You see the app window pop like a soap
bubble, and say bad words, but you can start right back again no prob.

Compare that to the 2 or 3 times a week Windows crash, where you spend a
few minutes trying make sure the damn thing has really crashed,
rebooting, and trying to get the computer to pretty please restart the
application. Then sometimes as it was getting ready to crash, it also
lost your file.

Windows XP-Pro (and WTF have 2 bloated versions of the same OS?) doesn't
do this nearly so often as '98, ME, SE, 2000, etc etc. But it's still
necessary to keep it in mind as one is trying to work, or one gets
"gotcha"d.

... And I know lots
of graphic artists, etc. who are much happier in the Mac environment.
Anyway...

Is CAD a graphic art?


As for sailing with software, I've decided that it's too high-tech for
me. I'm sure it wins races to have all that info to massage; but I'd
just prefer to enjoy the *feel* of sailing, even if it means coming in
second behind the guys who have a coupla software geeks on their crew
crunching data fulltime. I suspect I have more *fun* than they do.


Maybe. There are lots of different ways to have fun. I know people who
cruise up and down the ICW and enjoy trying to make the little boat icon
on the computer screen follow the little red line on the chart.
Diff'rent strokes and all that.

The website you cited *is* the airplane I love. A joy to fly, roomiest
cockpit in the universe, excellent visibility, cruise at 200, and
stall-proof. But I'm a pilot not a builder. Gotta find one already
built, just the way I want, for a good price.

You need to hook up with somebody who enjoys building them instead of
flying them.

... Right. Oh yeah, and
convince my wife that we really do *need* an airplane.
Good luck to me on that one!


Just show her on map all the fun places you can go in far less time (and
subtley point out that time is money). They need to make a camper
version, then you'd be all set

Regards
Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message

Is CAD a graphic art?

NO!... it's a drafting / modeling application.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message


Is CAD a graphic art?


NO!... it's a drafting / modeling application.

Rot! CAD: Computor Aided Design; the operative word here being design. Some design is pure science, some is pure art, most is a bit of both.

Show me a good designer and I'll show you an artist.

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message


Is CAD a graphic art?


NO!... it's a drafting / modeling application.

Rot! CAD: Computor Aided Design; the operative word here being design.
Some design is pure science, some is pure art, most is a bit of both.


It's a misnomer..... vector based and you provide the coordinates for it to
plot.. 2D or 3D. Yes you can design from scratch.... but try and import a
rastar based graphic to incorporate and your **** out of luck. It's utilzed
in engineering.. not graphics.

Show me a good designer and I'll show you an artist.

Yeah?... I'll show you a good draftsman.

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:NRuMd.108895

Rot! CAD: Computor Aided Design; the operative word here being design.
Some design is pure science, some is pure art, most is a bit of both.

It's a misnomer..... vector based and you provide the coordinates for it
to
plot.. 2D or 3D. Yes you can design from scratch.... but try and import
a
rastar based graphic to incorporate and your **** out of luck. It's
utilzed
in engineering.. not graphics.

Usually. :-) I've done artwork masters for a guy that makes things in wax -
I start by importing a raster image (scans of hand-drawn stuff) and tracing
polylines around all the important bits to establish a base before working
up the final thing. (The masters are then photographed as negatives,
reduced, and used to make etched metal bucks, from which rubber moulds are
cast...)

"Wally" wrote in message
Usually. :-) I've done artwork masters for a guy that makes things in
wax -
I start by importing a raster image (scans of hand-drawn stuff) and
tracing
polylines around all the important bits to establish a base before working
up the final thing. (The masters are then photographed as negatives,
reduced, and used to make etched metal bucks, from which rubber moulds are
cast...)

Excellent! Yeah like I said... you input coordinates and AutoCAD will
render it... it's just to meticulous and specific a program to be utilized
for general graphics applications. I do a lot of digitizing of hand drawn
work myself..... the most intense was a drawing in which I had to digitize
individual hairs on a Muskox. It was about 40 hours of work to complete.

CM

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message

Is CAD a graphic art?
NO!... it's a drafting / modeling application.

Rot! CAD: Computor Aided Design; the operative word here being
design.

The operative term is 'Computer Aided'. The 'D' properly stands for
'Drafting'. CAD is an electronic drawing board - it doesn't contain 'design'
tools, it contains 'drafting' tools.


Some design is pure science, some is pure art, most is a bit
of both.

Good design is about finding solutions to address specific problems. Good
drafting is about expressing or describing those solutions with sufficent
competence for them to be implemented.


Show me a good designer and I'll show you an artist.

There are plenty of good designs that are badly drawn - because there are
good designers that can't drive CAD (or draw) to save themselves.

"Wally" wrote in message
The operative term is 'Computer Aided'. The 'D' properly stands for
'Drafting'. CAD is an electronic drawing board - it doesn't contain
'design'
tools, it contains 'drafting' tools.

I concur!

Good design is about finding solutions to address specific problems. Good
drafting is about expressing or describing those solutions with sufficent
competence for them to be implemented.

Yes!

There are plenty of good designs that are badly drawn - because there are
good designers that can't drive CAD (or draw) to save themselves.

Exactly!

Marty... listen to Wally... he knows what he's talking about!

CM

"Wally" wrote
The operative term is 'Computer Aided'. The 'D' properly stands for
'Drafting'. CAD is an electronic drawing board - it doesn't contain
'design'
tools, it contains 'drafting' tools.

Capt. Mooron wrote:
I concur!


Well, you're both wrong... or maybe it's just that you've been using the
cheap set of AutoCad tools. AutoCad will do a large number of design
calculations including area, volume, centers of mass, and moments of
inertia. It will also extract a bill of materials



Good design is about finding solutions to address specific problems. Good
drafting is about expressing or describing those solutions with sufficent
competence for them to be implemented.


Well stated.


There are plenty of good designs that are badly drawn - because there are
good designers that can't drive CAD (or draw) to save themselves.


And are either too arrogant or too poor to hire a good draftsman.

Regards
Doug King