What if they use a Microsoft program?

NNOOOoooooo !!


Frank wrote:
Oh, you guys can bite me! My stock has already been flat for years,
although my dividend check at xmas was nice. Gimme a break. Please! The
kids need to eat!


Better talk to Uncle Bill 'bout dat!

Glad to hear Micro$oft is paying decent dividends, a while ago there was
big flap about them starting to pay them...

Besides, whatcha gonna use, Linux?


Maybe. I've seen some control system networks using it. At least the
code is transparent.

Ha!


Well, Ha! to you, sir! Just yesterday I got stalled in a line at the
grocery store while a clerk tried to get the cash register running...
guess what OS the thing was running...

Tell me Frank, would you fly in a plane that was controlled by any
Windows variant?

Frank, retired from an unnamed large software company near Seattle in
95 and uninterested in returning to work


What, you didn't come back to work for the Y2K fiasco?? Slacker!

DSK

Well, actually, to change this from alt.sailing to
alt.flight-software-controllers...

Yes, I have flown in a couple of homebuilt aircraft using MS software.
I have intense lust for a Velocity 4-place canard built by a guy I know
in the XBox group. It's the perfect airplane. Sigh... And for sailing
content, I've crewed on several boats using MS software. But that's
nitpicking. I understand that there's a strong vein of anti-MS out
there in the universe and I don't really care. Just like I enjoyed
getting my dividend check but didn't find it an adequate substitute for
the stock performance I'd gotten used to in 90's.

There was sure a lot of money to be made off the Y2K insanity; but I'm
lazy. I value my time more than I value money, as long as I can put
food on the table. And people were CRAZY during that silliness.

Frank

Frank wrote:
Well, actually, to change this from alt.sailing to
alt.flight-software-controllers...

Yes, I have flown in a couple of homebuilt aircraft using MS software.

No fair! I said "Windows" specifically.

Actually *if* set up correctly, NT isn't too bad for networked
controllers. I don't know how to do it myself, but over the years I've
built up a working list of pitfalls to avoid.

The problem doing that with a car is that each entry on the punch list
represents somebody's smash-up.

Don't take this personally Frank, I switched from Mac to PC a few years
ago and am still appalled at how often Windows 98, ME, SE, and XP crash.
As soon as they quit buying me new computers every two years, I'm
switching back...

I have intense lust for a Velocity 4-place canard built by a guy I know
in the XBox group. It's the perfect airplane. Sigh...

One of these?

http://www.velocityaircraft.com/airabout.html

It definitely looks like a cool plane! If it had a VTOL option, then
it'd be the *perfect* plane...


... And for sailing
content, I've crewed on several boats using MS software.

You're way ahead of me there.


... Just like I enjoyed
getting my dividend check but didn't find it an adequate substitute for
the stock performance I'd gotten used to in 90's.


Income can easily be turned into growth, but growth can't so easily be
turned into income.

There was sure a lot of money to be made off the Y2K insanity; but I'm
lazy. I value my time more than I value money, as long as I can put
food on the table. And people were CRAZY during that silliness.


Oh yes. Big time. They say it comes and goes in cycles.

It's nice to get far enough up on the power curve that you can relax the
money grabber. When young & poor, I threw away lots & lots of time to
save a little money... fixing up boats was a prime example.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Hee, hee! Ok, Doug, ya got me on the Windows-specific thing. Actually,
I spent a couple of years around '90 working on Mac stuff. (You do know
that MS has historically been their biggest applications supplier?) I
probably used 'em harder than most people; but I got that damned
"anarchist's bomb" (BSOD equivalent) pretty regularly. And I know lots
of graphic artists, etc. who are much happier in the Mac environment.
Anyway...

As for sailing with software, I've decided that it's too high-tech for
me. I'm sure it wins races to have all that info to massage; but I'd
just prefer to enjoy the *feel* of sailing, even if it means coming in
second behind the guys who have a coupla software geeks on their crew
crunching data fulltime. I suspect I have more *fun* than they do.

The website you cited *is* the airplane I love. A joy to fly, roomiest
cockpit in the universe, excellent visibility, cruise at 200, and
stall-proof. But I'm a pilot not a builder. Gotta find one already
built, just the way I want, for a good price. Right. Oh yeah, and
convince my wife that we really do *need* an airplane.
Good luck to me on that one!

Frank wrote:
Hee, hee! Ok, Doug, ya got me on the Windows-specific thing. Actually,
I spent a couple of years around '90 working on Mac stuff. (You do know
that MS has historically been their biggest applications supplier?)

I didn't know that. Is that why MS bought up Apple?

... I
probably used 'em harder than most people; but I got that damned
"anarchist's bomb" (BSOD equivalent) pretty regularly.

I've seen that a few times, but nowhere near as often as Windows
crashes. Usually what happens is that the Mac decides something is
rotten in the state of Denmark, saves your file with a marker on the
desktop, and kills the process. You see the app window pop like a soap
bubble, and say bad words, but you can start right back again no prob.

Compare that to the 2 or 3 times a week Windows crash, where you spend a
few minutes trying make sure the damn thing has really crashed,
rebooting, and trying to get the computer to pretty please restart the
application. Then sometimes as it was getting ready to crash, it also
lost your file.

Windows XP-Pro (and WTF have 2 bloated versions of the same OS?) doesn't
do this nearly so often as '98, ME, SE, 2000, etc etc. But it's still
necessary to keep it in mind as one is trying to work, or one gets
"gotcha"d.

... And I know lots
of graphic artists, etc. who are much happier in the Mac environment.
Anyway...

Is CAD a graphic art?


As for sailing with software, I've decided that it's too high-tech for
me. I'm sure it wins races to have all that info to massage; but I'd
just prefer to enjoy the *feel* of sailing, even if it means coming in
second behind the guys who have a coupla software geeks on their crew
crunching data fulltime. I suspect I have more *fun* than they do.


Maybe. There are lots of different ways to have fun. I know people who
cruise up and down the ICW and enjoy trying to make the little boat icon
on the computer screen follow the little red line on the chart.
Diff'rent strokes and all that.

The website you cited *is* the airplane I love. A joy to fly, roomiest
cockpit in the universe, excellent visibility, cruise at 200, and
stall-proof. But I'm a pilot not a builder. Gotta find one already
built, just the way I want, for a good price.

You need to hook up with somebody who enjoys building them instead of
flying them.

... Right. Oh yeah, and
convince my wife that we really do *need* an airplane.
Good luck to me on that one!


Just show her on map all the fun places you can go in far less time (and
subtley point out that time is money). They need to make a camper
version, then you'd be all set

Regards
Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message

Is CAD a graphic art?

NO!... it's a drafting / modeling application.

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message


Is CAD a graphic art?


NO!... it's a drafting / modeling application.

Rot! CAD: Computor Aided Design; the operative word here being design. Some design is pure science, some is pure art, most is a bit of both.

Show me a good designer and I'll show you an artist.

Cheers
Marty

Doug... how the hell do you crash XP Pro.... I've tried on many occasions
and so far have no managed to get my system to even lock up. I'm running a
2.4 Ghz, Asus Mobo, 1 Gig of ram ... overclocked. I regularly run several
applications at the same time.

The last few months saw a steady decline in performance results from the
benchmark tests so I decided to F-Disk the drive and now it's running fast
and steady.

CM


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
Well, actually, to change this from alt.sailing to
alt.flight-software-controllers...

Yes, I have flown in a couple of homebuilt aircraft using MS software.

No fair! I said "Windows" specifically.

Actually *if* set up correctly, NT isn't too bad for networked
controllers. I don't know how to do it myself, but over the years I've
built up a working list of pitfalls to avoid.

The problem doing that with a car is that each entry on the punch list
represents somebody's smash-up.

Don't take this personally Frank, I switched from Mac to PC a few years
ago and am still appalled at how often Windows 98, ME, SE, and XP crash.
As soon as they quit buying me new computers every two years, I'm
switching back...

I have intense lust for a Velocity 4-place canard built by a guy I know
in the XBox group. It's the perfect airplane. Sigh...

One of these?

http://www.velocityaircraft.com/airabout.html

It definitely looks like a cool plane! If it had a VTOL option, then it'd
be the *perfect* plane...


... And for sailing
content, I've crewed on several boats using MS software.

You're way ahead of me there.


... Just like I enjoyed
getting my dividend check but didn't find it an adequate substitute for
the stock performance I'd gotten used to in 90's.


Income can easily be turned into growth, but growth can't so easily be
turned into income.

There was sure a lot of money to be made off the Y2K insanity; but I'm
lazy. I value my time more than I value money, as long as I can put
food on the table. And people were CRAZY during that silliness.

Oh yes. Big time. They say it comes and goes in cycles.

It's nice to get far enough up on the power curve that you can relax the
money grabber. When young & poor, I threw away lots & lots of time to save
a little money... fixing up boats was a prime example.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Capt. Mooron wrote:
Doug... how the hell do you crash XP Pro....

I don't know. *I* don't do anything, it crashes on it's own.

After learning to pray to the gods of Ctrl-Alt-Del, it seems really odd
when the Mac starts killing processes on it's own. But it very rarely
locks up or crashes or loses files. To give XP-Pro it's due, it doesn't
crash or get retarded as often as earlier Windows OSs, but it's still a
regular occurence.

Regards
Doug King

Try removing some of the critical registry items. If you need a list, let me
know.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:4InMd.98747$Ob.15174@edtnps84...
Doug... how the hell do you crash XP Pro.... I've tried on many occasions
and so far have no managed to get my system to even lock up. I'm running a
2.4 Ghz, Asus Mobo, 1 Gig of ram ... overclocked. I regularly run several
applications at the same time.

The last few months saw a steady decline in performance results from the
benchmark tests so I decided to F-Disk the drive and now it's running fast
and steady.

CM


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Frank wrote:
Well, actually, to change this from alt.sailing to
alt.flight-software-controllers...

Yes, I have flown in a couple of homebuilt aircraft using MS software.

No fair! I said "Windows" specifically.

Actually *if* set up correctly, NT isn't too bad for networked
controllers. I don't know how to do it myself, but over the years I've
built up a working list of pitfalls to avoid.

The problem doing that with a car is that each entry on the punch list
represents somebody's smash-up.

Don't take this personally Frank, I switched from Mac to PC a few years
ago and am still appalled at how often Windows 98, ME, SE, and XP crash.
As soon as they quit buying me new computers every two years, I'm
switching back...

I have intense lust for a Velocity 4-place canard built by a guy I know
in the XBox group. It's the perfect airplane. Sigh...

One of these?

http://www.velocityaircraft.com/airabout.html

It definitely looks like a cool plane! If it had a VTOL option, then it'd
be the *perfect* plane...


... And for sailing
content, I've crewed on several boats using MS software.

You're way ahead of me there.


... Just like I enjoyed
getting my dividend check but didn't find it an adequate substitute for
the stock performance I'd gotten used to in 90's.


Income can easily be turned into growth, but growth can't so easily be
turned into income.

There was sure a lot of money to be made off the Y2K insanity; but I'm
lazy. I value my time more than I value money, as long as I can put
food on the table. And people were CRAZY during that silliness.

Oh yes. Big time. They say it comes and goes in cycles.

It's nice to get far enough up on the power curve that you can relax the
money grabber. When young & poor, I threw away lots & lots of time to
save a little money... fixing up boats was a prime example.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King