Dave wrote:
.... I
don't believe anyone has claimed that proper procedures weren't followed in
awarding the medals.

Oh really?

DSK

.... I
don't believe anyone has claimed that proper procedures weren't followed in
awarding the medals.

Oh really?


Dave wrote:
Yes, really.

Then what was all that stuff about how Kerry was really a coward and a
traitor and he really didn't earn those medals and he lied about it and
it was only scratch etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...????

DSK

That's right! Bush is a liar. You are a poodle.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:25:38 -0400, DSK said:

.... I
don't believe anyone has claimed that proper procedures weren't
followed in
awarding the medals.

Oh really?


Dave wrote:
Yes, really.

Then what was all that stuff about how Kerry was really a coward and a
traitor and he really didn't earn those medals and he lied about it and
it was only scratch etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...????

DSK

Had nothing to do with the procedures. The best of procedures will be
undermined if those providing the input are untruthful.

"Horvath" wrote in message

I can't believe you're that old.

Believe it. Full employment, in 1965, was 3%, according to the Bureau of
Labor Statistics.

Max

And at the end of the Clinton presidency, it was a bit over 4 percent.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
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"Horvath" wrote in message

I can't believe you're that old.

Believe it. Full employment, in 1965, was 3%, according to the Bureau of
Labor Statistics.

Max

Then what was all that stuff about how Kerry was really a coward and a
traitor and he really didn't earn those medals and he lied about it and
it was only scratch etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...????


Dave wrote:
Had nothing to do with the procedures. The best of procedures will be
undermined if those providing the input are untruthful.

Let me get this straight- you are claiming that all the bull**** attacks
on Kerry's Viet Nam War record are all truthful & honest & totally
uncoordinated with the Bush-CHeney campaign.... *AND* they are in no way
reflective that Kerry's medals were awarded totally within the context
of a correct & honest procedure?

I'm sorry, my brain just cannot bend that far. Black is not white and
water runs downhill.

DSK

Dave wrote:
Come now, Doug, I'm sure you can get your brain around this one. Procedure
is the steps taken before reaching a decision--e.g. reading the documents on
which the decision is to be based, sometimes (though not always) talking to
one or more witnesses, etc. Saying that the proper procedure was followed
simply means the people making the decision went through those steps. It
says noting about the accuracy or reliability of the documents read, or the
truthfulness of those people, if any, who were talked to.

Well, here's the problem. You're claiming that the Navy, in following
the proper steps to verify the accuracy of reports used to determine
medal awards, did everything right... this BTW includes reports from the
some of the same people from Swift Boat Veterans For Slander.

Then you turn around and say that it *must* be totally accurate fact to
say that Kerry lied to get medals he didn't deserve, acted like a
coward, etc etc.

Surely you see that this is irreconcilable. Either one is true, or the
other.

Black is white. Ignorance is Strength!

DSK

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:32:51 -0400, DSK wrote:

Then what was all that stuff about how Kerry was really a coward and a
traitor and he really didn't earn those medals and he lied about it and
it was only scratch etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...????


Dave wrote:
Had nothing to do with the procedures. The best of procedures will be
undermined if those providing the input are untruthful.

Let me get this straight- you are claiming that all the bull**** attacks
on Kerry's Viet Nam War record are all truthful & honest & totally
uncoordinated with the Bush-CHeney campaign.... *AND* they are in no way
reflective that Kerry's medals were awarded totally within the context
of a correct & honest procedure?

I'm sorry, my brain just cannot bend that far. Black is not white and
water runs downhill.

DSK

It is always a bit difficult to understand Dave's obscure little
questioning of the facts, but I believe he is dancing around the
absurd claim of the Swift Boat Liars for Bush that the initials "KJW"
on the after action reports *really* indicate that Kerry, with the
initials "JFK" wrote up all the after action reports. Now, of course,
35 years later and with the benefits of all this "new evidence"
provided by folks who weren't there, those "Kerry" reports need to be
re-written...preferably by the RNC, who, as we all know, were REALLY
not in the area at the time.

I hope that helps clear up your confusion

On 20 Sep 2004 11:08:05 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:44:53 GMT, felton said:

It is always a bit difficult to understand Dave's obscure little
questioning of the facts, but I believe he is dancing around the
absurd claim of the Swift Boat Liars for Bush that the initials "KJW"
on the after action reports *really* indicate that Kerry, with the
initials "JFK" wrote up all the after action reports. Now, of course,
35 years later and with the benefits of all this "new evidence"
provided by folks who weren't there, those "Kerry" reports need to be
re-written...preferably by the RNC, who, as we all know, were REALLY
not in the area at the time.

I hope that helps clear up your confusion

I'll admit you have a rich imagination.

Another post from Dave "clarifying" his obscure little point(less)
barbs. Are you in charge of drafting the "fine print" in legal
disclaimers? You would be well suited for such a task given your
vague and evasive style. Pointless and dull.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
Nothing inconsistent here.

Wow, talk about understatement.

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