"Jonathan Ganz"
Maxprop wrote:
The current unemployment rate just dropped from 5.5% to 5.4%. The avg.
unemployment rate during the Clinton administration was 5.8%. Doesn't
wash.
People are beginning to tune Kerry out when he talks about the horrendous
unemployment rate. They don't believe him any more.

It's easy to cite facts but not the truth. Yes, the UER just dropped
0.1%. However, it was completely due to people dropping off the
employment rolls not due to job growth. 144K people found jobs. But
the economy needs about 150-200K to break even on job loss/job
creation.

Gotta agree with Jon on that one. Several friends, union electricians, have
been jobless for over two years! They don't show up in the figures because,
like 1000s of others, their unemployment benefits have ran out.

"Vito" wrote

Gotta agree with Jon on that one. Several friends, union
electricians, have
been jobless for over two years! They don't show up in the figures
because,
like 1000s of others, their unemployment benefits have ran out.


This has been my busiest year in the last 10 or more. I will end up
working 180 days this year, as opposed to my normal 110 day year.
Plus, my wife and both kids got jobs this year.

Scotty

Glad to hear it!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

This has been my busiest year in the last 10 or more. I will end up
working 180 days this year, as opposed to my normal 110 day year.
Plus, my wife and both kids got jobs this year.

Scotty

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:16:54 -0400, "Vito" said:

Gotta agree with Jon on that one. Several friends, union electricians,
have
been jobless for over two years!

Anecdotes are generally not very persuasive evidence. But I guess you have
to go with what you've got.

You deleted/ignored the important part - that once their unemployment
benefits end, they are no longer part of the unemployment numbers.

Maxprop wrote:
The current unemployment rate just dropped from 5.5% to 5.4%. The avg.
unemployment rate during the Clinton administration was 5.8%. Doesn't wash.
People are beginning to tune Kerry out when he talks about the horrendous
unemployment rate. They don't believe him any more.

You must be referring to people who mostly get their "facts" from
fascist tub-thumpers shilling for Bush & Cheney.

Most other people in the country have experience either directly, or one
of their friends or family, struggling with long term unemployment or
underemployment.

The fact of the matter is that there are fewer jobs now than in 2000,
when we "were beginning a Clinton-induced recession" according to your
own favorite sources.

Another fact is that families discretionary income is at a low point,
and dropping further.

To the reasonable person, it seems pretty obvious that the "Bush
economy" chiefly benefits the ultra rich and offshore corporations.
Certainly that mega-gazillion dollar defecit is not helping the economy
anywhere near as much as might be expected. And it's been a couple years
now, how long does it take to "kick start" the economy?

DSK

We're all glad to hear it but that has nothing to do with the actual
stats. Many, many people are hurting because of Bush's policies.
And there was no reason for it.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Vito" wrote

Gotta agree with Jon on that one. Several friends, union
electricians, have
been jobless for over two years! They don't show up in the figures
because,
like 1000s of others, their unemployment benefits have ran out.


This has been my busiest year in the last 10 or more. I will end up
working 180 days this year, as opposed to my normal 110 day year.
Plus, my wife and both kids got jobs this year.

Scotty

Well, I agree.. if that's all you have, which is all you have, then you
gotta
go with it. The fact (and truth) remains that we have had negative job
growth since Bush took office.

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www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:16:54 -0400, "Vito" said:

Gotta agree with Jon on that one. Several friends, union electricians,
have
been jobless for over two years!

Anecdotes are generally not very persuasive evidence. But I guess you have
to go with what you've got.

BTW, if you've been following the news you'll note that the Chicago Fed
just
published a paper shooting down the last of the gloom and doom folks'
arguments--that the jobs being created are concentrated in the low-paying
sectors.

I bet that argument works really well in your fantasy world, but it
has nothing to do with truth.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:26:10 -0400, "Vito" said:

Anecdotes are generally not very persuasive evidence. But I guess you
have
to go with what you've got.

You deleted/ignored the important part - that once their unemployment
benefits end, they are no longer part of the unemployment numbers.

OK, I'll modify it. Anecdotes about 3 or 4 friends who are no longer part
of
the unemployment numbers aren't very persuasive evidence.

"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Jonathan Ganz"
Maxprop wrote:
The current unemployment rate just dropped from 5.5% to 5.4%. The avg.
unemployment rate during the Clinton administration was 5.8%. Doesn't
wash.
People are beginning to tune Kerry out when he talks about the horrendous
unemployment rate. They don't believe him any more.

It's easy to cite facts but not the truth. Yes, the UER just dropped
0.1%. However, it was completely due to people dropping off the
employment rolls not due to job growth. 144K people found jobs. But
the economy needs about 150-200K to break even on job loss/job
creation.

Gotta agree with Jon on that one. Several friends, union electricians, have
been jobless for over two years! They don't show up in the figures because,
like 1000s of others, their unemployment benefits have ran out.

Tell them to load of their trucks and head to Florida Alabama ect.
They can find all the work they can handle. But since they are union
guys that kind of work my not be worthy.

The job market is coming back ....slowley. The only thing I heard
Kerry say that I like is he want's to cut off tax breaks for companies
that are moving jobs overseas. However I can not find any tax breaks
anywhere on the books that pays to move jobs overseas. I do know
dumbass short sighted bean counters encourage that because in the
short run they can save tonns of money. In the long run it a
disasterious move for white collar positions.

Joe

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:39:44 -0700, Joe wrote:



However I can not find any tax breaks
anywhere on the books that pays to move jobs overseas.

Overlook the part about tax deferred foreign profits?

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