Better take a big breath Dave... cause you're drowning fast!

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"Dave" wrote in message
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| On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:02:10 GMT, felton said:
|
| "IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter,
| featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By
| assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized
| characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an
| effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation
| that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The proportional
| spacing feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series
| typewriters."
|
| That was in 1941.
|
| I'm not surprised that IBM would call this proportional spacing even if
it's
| not the same as current proportional spacing. The real questions, of
course,
| are (i) whether this type was available to the guy who purportedly
produced
| the memo, (ii) whether, if so, the copy produced by this type can be
| distinguished by experts looking at a degraded copy from the proportional
| spacing of current word processors, and (iii) whether this type produced
| superscript. I don't know the answers to those questions.
|
| The thing I do find persuasive is that apparently a number of people have
| typed the same text using MS Word, and the soft line breaks of every line
| come out exactly the same as the line breaks in the questioned documents.
| Dunno whether you remember using the old electrics, but I recall that you
| had to insert line breaks as you typed. What are the chances of exactly
| reproducing those same line breaks automatically on several documents
using
| Word?
|

On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:25:44 -0400, Philip Carroll wrote:

Funny, the Bush camp isn't denying their authenticity.

Perhaps, because they could be authentic. In all the smoke, mud, and
mirrors, it's difficult to say with any certainty what the "truth" is this
election year, but . . .

This document (for all I know, it could have been doctored) purportedly
released by Bush, has a superscript. Note the second line. Also note,
further down that 111th is not superscripted.

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/superscrptth.jpg

OK, The Bush camp is not denying the information contained within. As to the
authenticity, a copy of an earlier made document could have been done with a
scanner with OCR software and the print would be what ever, I'm not going
there as to fake documents or not, only that the Bush camp has not denyed
the information contained within.
"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:42:26 -0400, thunder said:

This document (for all I know, it could have been doctored) purportedly
released by Bush, has a superscript.

You need to get your facts straight here. Although the documents may have
been "released" by the WH, they got them from CBS, who refuses to tell
where
they got them. I think we can assume that any "doctoring" would have
occurred before the WH got them, since CBS would have a more original copy
and could do a comparison.

So you call into question the process for awarding the medals to Kerry?
"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:57:40 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

But Kerry certainly deserves criticism for being a decorated war hero.

Of course he's not being criticized for getting medals. He's being
criticized for perhaps being a bit economical with the truth in getting
some
of them and then using them to get out of the combat zone.

Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

"No matter how hot a blowtorch burns, it doesn't shed much light"--NPR's
Scott Simon

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:48:08 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:42:26 -0400, thunder said:

This document (for all I know, it could have been doctored) purportedly
released by Bush, has a superscript.

You need to get your facts straight here. Although the documents may have
been "released" by the WH, they got them from CBS, who refuses to tell
where they got them. I think we can assume that any "doctoring" would have
occurred before the WH got them, since CBS would have a more original copy
and could do a comparison.

Uh, the link I gave wasn't to one of the memos now in question. It was a
link to a document previously released by the White House to show Bush's
Texas ANG service. While the font isn't proportional, it does show a
superscript.

If you do, you question each and every medal given under said process. So
you also call into question the names and sacrifices of those names on the
wall and in all past wars and conflicts. You have questioned , by proxy,
such awards as Sgt, Yorks medal of honor, Gary Brenemens Purple heart, and
so on. Not a very patriotic thing to do in my book.
"Dave" wrote in message
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I don't think that's what I said but feel free to try to demonstrate
otherwise.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:08:30 -0400, "Philip Carroll"
said:

So you call into question the process for awarding the medals to Kerry?
"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:57:40 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

But Kerry certainly deserves criticism for being a decorated war hero.

Of course he's not being criticized for getting medals. He's being
criticized for perhaps being a bit economical with the truth in getting
some
of them and then using them to get out of the combat zone.

Philip, what can you expect from a grown up poodle.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Philip Carroll" wrote in message
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If you do, you question each and every medal given under said process. So
you also call into question the names and sacrifices of those names on the
wall and in all past wars and conflicts. You have questioned , by proxy,
such awards as Sgt, Yorks medal of honor, Gary Brenemens Purple heart, and
so on. Not a very patriotic thing to do in my book.
"Dave" wrote in message
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I don't think that's what I said but feel free to try to demonstrate
otherwise.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:08:30 -0400, "Philip Carroll"
said:

So you call into question the process for awarding the medals to Kerry?
"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 09:57:40 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
said:

But Kerry certainly deserves criticism for being a decorated war
hero.

Of course he's not being criticized for getting medals. He's being
criticized for perhaps being a bit economical with the truth in
getting
some
of them and then using them to get out of the combat zone.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
Not responsive to the question.

Mr. Poodle, we don't care about your pseudo-legal comments.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

I missed few physicals when I was in the Air Force. Why
don't you ask me why I missed them? I can't remember.

Lets ask John Kerry why he committed attrocities in Vietnam.

Lets ask John Kerry why he does feel he needs to attend Congress
or committee meetings.

Lets ask to see his wife's tax return with her big investments
in Haliburton and Enron.

Lets ask who stands to benefit from these forged documents.

Could it be the DNC?
Could it be the Clintons?
Could it be John Kerry?


(Jonathan Ganz) wrote

John Deere wrote:
'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
By Robert B. Bluey
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
September 09, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS
News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's
service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a
current word processing program, according to typography experts.

stupid, long for no reason post deleted

Interesting! I suppose you think this means that it was ok for Bush to
not show up for his physical. We're still waiting for him to tell us
why.

Few people believe these are real documents. Even
the experts have disengaged from that view. 60
minutes avoided interviewing anyone with views
contrary to their own viewpoint. It was not good
journalism.

Even if you believe only the evidence that supports
this, and don't believe any of the other evidence
against it. It still is such a tiny issue that I
have to laugh that anyone takes in seriously.

Kerry's campaign is dying. He has no issues. His
Vietnam record shows that he ducked out as fast as
he could. He lied about Cambodia. He defected to
the other side. He is a spineless two faced hypocrit.
He won't release his wife's tax returns. He is hiding
everything he can about himself, because if you knew
more about him, you'd have less confidence in him.

Kerry has no position. His campaign is based on smear,
and it's only serving to alienate many Democrats.

Finally, I think the Clintons are working to undermine
Kerry.

If this is all Kerry has to throw against President Bush,
he is doomed. Kerry doesn't know how to run a campaign.

GWB is a man who stand for something and has a position
and morals.

I predict a huge victory of GWB. Kerry doesn't have a chance.

Bart Senior

(Thom Stewart) wrote

I'd like to take this oppurtunity to say that in 1944 during WW2 , in
Pearl Harbor while serving in the US Navy our office used IBM
proportional-spaced font electric typewriters. Not thirty years ago,
60 YEARS AGO.

Nice try RNC but I'm not impressed by your experts.

Ole Thom