Nope. We might have another child

Can't you make up your mind?

Nope. Why should I?

RB

Why would I want to make up my mind when owning several more boats
will be a lot of fun?

Because having the right boat is more fun.


Sorry, Joe. Your way is just to dull for us. We plan to move soon and probably
will end up moving again after that. I expect a lot of fun changes in my life
and see no reason to seek a "perfect boat" when many boats provide many
different types of fun. Tie yourself down if that makes you feel safe. We're
planning to do more than that.

RB

I think that you're falling too much into the Boobsprit way of
thinking... that an Express 30 must be POS because... umm, because...
oh, I know: because you hear so much bad talk about it on the internet!


Why does Doug lie? I rarely heard anything negative online about the Express 30
and I doubt he has either.

RB

Personally, it seems unlikely to me that the CR 38 would beat an Express
30 under any circumstances unless you really stacked the deck to favor
it.


Shockingly wrong info from Doug. The CR 38 will make a long ocean passage
faster. It has the WL and momentum to maintain higher speeds and do so in worse
weather.

RB

Bobsprit wrote:
Shockingly wrong info from Doug. The CR 38 will make a long ocean passage
faster. It has the WL and momentum to maintain higher speeds and do so in worse
weather.

You know this from personal experience, right? You've made a lot of
"long ocean passages" on Long Island Sound within 10 miles of your slip,
right?

DSK

Shockingly wrong info from Doug. The CR 38 will make a long ocean passage
faster. It has the WL and momentum to maintain higher speeds and do so in
worse
weather.

You know this from personal experience, right? You've made a lot of
"long ocean passages" on Long Island Sound within 10 miles of your slip,
right?


Sorry, Doug, but you're wrong. It's just than simple and if I never sailed a
day in my life you'd STILL be wrong.
In addition to the data already mentioned, the Express 30 does best on her
feet, while the CR38 will hold speed in a variety of poor conditions. She's a
sea boat by design and excells over long distance. Until Mooron gave you the
numbers you assumed she was just another super-heavy cruiser.

RB

"DSK" wrote in message
| Well, you did say you're not much of a "numbers" kind of guy.

The numbers are generally in my favour Doug... why concern myself with them.

| I think that you're falling too much into the Boobsprit way of
| thinking... that an Express 30 must be POS because... umm, because...
| oh, I know: because you hear so much bad talk about it on the internet!
| Actually it's very nice boat, hardly a lightweight around-the-bouys
| racer, with probably more cabin space than your boat.

No Doug... you're completely off the mark. I could care less about the
Express because it's a fin keeler... and I don't really like fin keelers
between 20 to 35 feet.... compound that with the fact I think Loco is a
complete Idiot... you expect what.... I'm going to compliment his boat???!!!
There is no way in hell he has more cabin space Doug... just look at the
designs and see how far, fore & Aft, my vessel carries her beam. Better yet
look at the SailCalc numbers and pay close attention to the Pounds/Inch
Ratio. Overproof is by far and away ten times the vessel of that low end
buoy nag!


|
| Personally, it seems unlikely to me that the CR 38 would beat an Express
| 30 under any circumstances unless you really stacked the deck to favor
| it. OTOH it's a lot roomier and probably noticably more comfortable in a
| chop.

Well Doug... like you always say.. you can't argue with the numbers and the
numbers show the Cabo to be quicker. What do you want me to say.... ??

CM

No. You yourself have admitted that your memory on the subject may be
suspect.
Shannon 38
Island Packet 38
Hinckley 38
Little Harbor 38
Alberg 37 Yawl
Bristol 35.5
Columbia 38
Could go on, but the thing is, none of these boats will do 11kts.either.
Lists are available at any number of phrf websites. The CR 38 may be a great
boat, but speed isn't one of it's qualities.
John Cairns

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"John Cairns" wrote in message

| And, since there are any number of blue water cruisers of similar length
| that are considerably faster than a CR 38, I would be more likely to
| characterize the CR 38 as "slow". Claiming that a CR 38 will do 11 knots
is
| a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
| John Cairns

Well now John... since you've failed to provide a list of 38 foot vessels
that are faster... and I'm certain there are quite a few.... your point
seems contentious rather than clarifying.

I'm not certain what to make of the last part.... are you in effect
accusing me of fabrication or that the vessel is incapable of such speeds?

CM

Well, I would drop the "considerably" faster and use another adjective,
though none come to mind. Speed is relative, the average sailboat isn't very
fast. Since I started racing I am a more attuned to the numbers, in any
event I still wouldn't consider the CR a "fast" offshore cruiser.
John Cairns
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .


"John Cairns" wrote

| And, since there are any number of blue water cruisers of similar
length
| that are considerably faster than a CR 38, I would be more likely to
| characterize the CR 38 as "slow". Claiming that a CR 38 will do 11
knots
is
| a bit of a stretch, don't you think?
| John Cairns


Capt. Mooron wrote:
Well now John... since you've failed to provide a list of 38 foot
vessels
that are faster... and I'm certain there are quite a few.... your point
seems contentious rather than clarifying.

Yeah, John, what are you tryin' to do... start an arument?!?


I'm not certain what to make of the last part.... are you in effect
accusing me of fabrication or that the vessel is incapable of such
speeds?

Well, you did say you're not much of a "numbers" kind of guy.

I think that you're falling too much into the Boobsprit way of
thinking... that an Express 30 must be POS because... umm, because...
oh, I know: because you hear so much bad talk about it on the internet!
Actually it's very nice boat, hardly a lightweight around-the-bouys
racer, with probably more cabin space than your boat.

Personally, it seems unlikely to me that the CR 38 would beat an Express
30 under any circumstances unless you really stacked the deck to favor
it. OTOH it's a lot roomier and probably noticably more comfortable in a
chop.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Well John... I'm certain of the speed since I conferred with my brother
who was on the trip with me. He's in agreement with my recollection. I can
remember it as clearly as the panicked feeling of doing that speed in waters
that shallowed to 6 feet for long stretches. The Cabo draws 5 feet.

Now I suppose I could do a search to substantiate my claims... since I've
read articles posted regarding the vessels speed .... and I might... but not
tonight. I have a report to complete prior to tomorrow and am posting here
on breaks between typing.

I have not sailed any of the vessels listed so I cannot contest your claims
as to their speed.
I assure you the Cabo38 did 11 knots sustained.

CM

"John Cairns" wrote in message
.. .
| No. You yourself have admitted that your memory on the subject may be
| suspect.
| Shannon 38
| Island Packet 38
| Hinckley 38
| Little Harbor 38
| Alberg 37 Yawl
| Bristol 35.5
| Columbia 38
| Could go on, but the thing is, none of these boats will do 11kts.either.
| Lists are available at any number of phrf websites. The CR 38 may be a
great
| boat, but speed isn't one of it's qualities.
| John Cairns