Your Last Boat???
 

Scotti Potty brought up an interesting point, even if it was in an attempt to
troll.
How many of us are on our "last boats?"
While many of us are happy with our current boats, we can easily see changes
and expectations that can't be met by our current boats. My next boat will be
36 feet long....after that I may go even larger. My last boat will probably be
something much smaller, but sweet, such as a H28 or even a smaller Nonsuch.
So...How many of you are on your "Last boat" and if you're not (most of us
aren't ready to roll over yet) what boat do you see finishing up on?

RB

On 27 Aug 2004 18:19:40 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


Scotti Potty brought up an interesting point, even if it was in an attempt to
troll.
How many of us are on our "last boats?"
While many of us are happy with our current boats, we can easily see changes
and expectations that can't be met by our current boats. My next boat will be
36 feet long....after that I may go even larger. My last boat will probably be
something much smaller, but sweet, such as a H28 or even a smaller Nonsuch.
So...How many of you are on your "Last boat" and if you're not (most of us
aren't ready to roll over yet) what boat do you see finishing up on?

RB

I think boats are a lot like houses. There is a time in life when
people are wanting to move "up", i.e. "bigger", and then there comes a
time when people want to go "smaller", which is not the same thing as
moving down. Let's face it, most people who sail don't live aboard
and don't really make extended blue water passages. We sail, but we
really don't need a liveaboard or a cruiser just to sail. I have a
feeling that my "last boat" will be smaller than the boat I currently
have. I would rather spend more time sailing and less time
maintaining.

An Alerion 28, or even one of the new Ensigns that I could sail
whenever the fancy strikes sounds great to me, just as two quick
examples of what I find pleasing. I know a lot of folks who are going
smaller and simpler because they want to. I probably will too at some
point.

Oh...my current boat is a Sabre 34-II.

An Alerion 28, or even one of the new Ensigns that I could sail
whenever the fancy strikes sounds great to me, just as two quick
examples of what I find pleasing. I know a lot of folks who are going
smaller and simpler because they want to. I probably will too at some
point.

Oh...my current boat is a Sabre 34-II.


Well, you own a very nice boat. The Alerion, while expensive is certainly a
beautiful design. Another end-of-the-road boat would be small pilot house
sloop, like Thom's.

RB

On 27 Aug 2004 18:19:40 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:


Scotti Potty brought up an interesting point, even if it was in an attempt to
troll.
How many of us are on our "last boats?"
While many of us are happy with our current boats, we can easily see changes
and expectations that can't be met by our current boats. My next boat will be
36 feet long....after that I may go even larger. My last boat will probably be
something much smaller, but sweet, such as a H28 or even a smaller Nonsuch.
So...How many of you are on your "Last boat" and if you're not (most of us
aren't ready to roll over yet) what boat do you see finishing up on?

RB

I think I will probably get something in the mid-30s range at some
point in the next couple of years. I'm thinking about getting another
windrider right now, since I do a lot of light wind lake sailing and
want to be able to bring a couple of non-sailing friends without
worrying about them freaking out when the mono tips over. It would
be perfect for the lake near my house.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Barring any mishap...... Overproof is my last vessel.

I bothered to select the vessel that best suits my requirements over a wide
range of sailing experiences. I can easily single-hand the vessel and yet
carry up to 6 crew in comfort for extended passages.

Overproof's size, lines, behaviour and abilities exceed my base criteria.

It was my only home for 9 years. I know her quirks and subtleties... I talk
to my boat!

Last Boat ... Yes!

CM





"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| Scotti Potty brought up an interesting point, even if it was in an attempt
to
| troll.
| How many of us are on our "last boats?"
| While many of us are happy with our current boats, we can easily see
changes
| and expectations that can't be met by our current boats. My next boat will
be
| 36 feet long....after that I may go even larger. My last boat will
probably be
| something much smaller, but sweet, such as a H28 or even a smaller
Nonsuch.
| So...How many of you are on your "Last boat" and if you're not (most of us
| aren't ready to roll over yet) what boat do you see finishing up on?
|
| RB

It was my only home for 9 years. I know her quirks and subtleties... I talk
to my boat!

Last Boat ... Yes!

Good for you, Mooron! How many boats have you owned? I don't recall if you had
other boats prior.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| It was my only home for 9 years. I know her quirks and subtleties... I
talk
| to my boat!
|
| Last Boat ... Yes!
|
| Good for you, Mooron! How many boats have you owned? I don't recall if you
had
| other boats prior.

18 ft Single Hand Dory - Row Boat - 16 years old
30 ft Cape Islander - Fishing Boat - 17 years old
42 ft Northumberland Straits Lobster Boat - 19 years old
20 ft Nordica - Sloop - 34 years old
30 ft. Nordica - Sloop - 37 years old

I knew it was my last boat when I first saw her in the yard.

CM

18 ft Single Hand Dory - Row Boat - 16 years old
30 ft Cape Islander - Fishing Boat - 17 years old
42 ft Northumberland Straits Lobster Boat - 19 years old
20 ft Nordica - Sloop - 34 years old
30 ft. Nordica - Sloop - 37 years old

That's a good list!

RB

Nutsy;

For sure, I'm on my last boat. I knew it was my last boat 14 years ago,
when I brought it. Capitol did a pretty nice job of letting me
Semi-custom it.

The years are taking a bigger toll on the old man than on the boat. Was
about ready to put it in the hands of a broker this year.. Got a second
life with a new crew that changed my mind.

14 years ago I saw this time coming an purchased a boat that I would be
able to handle. Wanted a boat I could handle by myself or with others.
That was the reason for Furling 150 headsail set up and fully battened
main in Lazy Jacks. The right choice, for me! Wanted inside steering
but didn't want a Motorsailer. Thought the Gulf 32 was the boat but a
test sail proved me wrong. The Broker suggested the 29. He was RIGHT!

It has been a much better sail than I had hope to get. A great boat for
an evening sail or a week-end. If the weather socks me while I'm out,
I can hole up and not come home and be comfortable in the Pilothouse. I
can sail year round in comfort with Cabin Heat, Micro wave oven, two
burner stove, twin basin sink, chest ice box ( I should have went with
the cold plate) hot & cold water/ with shower, 12Vdc to 120Vac inverter.
I'm at home abroad.

It turned out to be a much better sailer than I figured. My crew bugged
me to race it. I registered in the Cruising Class and raced for about 10
years ( Middle of a 12 boat fleet)

So, I recommend, around the 60 year mark in life start thinking about
what your last boat should be,

I'm very glad I did

Ole Thom

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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| 18 ft Single Hand Dory - Row Boat - 16 years old
| 30 ft Cape Islander - Fishing Boat - 17 years old
| 42 ft Northumberland Straits Lobster Boat - 19 years old
| 20 ft Nordica - Sloop - 34 years old
| 30 ft. Nordica - Sloop - 37 years old
|
| That's a good list!

Between boats I crewed and sailed as many different types of vessels as
possible. I found chartering a unique way to access various designs while
offering substantial time to assess the vessel in a variety of situations.

If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38. I had one chartered for 3
weeks in Eluthra, Bahamas. We sailed the Exuma Cays. A truly spectacular
vessel, quick and well built.

CM

Cabo Rico builds a great boat, but "quick" isn't one of their qualities, not
by contemporary standards anyways.
John Cairns
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38. I had one chartered for
3
weeks in Eluthra, Bahamas. We sailed the Exuma Cays. A truly spectacular
vessel, quick and well built.

CM

Bobsprit wrote:

Scotti Potty brought up an interesting point, even if it was in an attempt to
troll.
How many of us are on our "last boats?"

Lady Kate will do well for a long, long time (baring accidents)
but probably won't be the "last boat". Especially after reefing
three times in an hour, when the tendonitis in the shoulders says
hello, the realisation is there that in say 10 years time I
physically may not be able to do the needful. Perhaps stretch
that to 15 years if I install winches. Even so, the "last boat"
might still be a non-sailing Lady Kate, run as a motor drifter,
quietly working her way up the inland rivers.

Reason for Lady Kate's longevity?
-easily singlehanded
-huge amounts of below-deck room without design cutenesses
-a decent galley, icebox,sink, stove (tho no oven, but a camp
oven on the stove works well)
-standing headroom in the galley
-long (7') saloon berths
-queen-size double sleeping flat in the stern quarters (only
lounging headroom tho.)
-simple, fast, easy maintenance, including counterwieghted mast
in tabernacle and so, freedom from the tyranny of cranes and
yards
-simple, fat, easy sailplan
-excellent ventilation
-lots of storage lockers
-no-release waste systems likely to meet EPA extortionate demands
for the forseeable future

NOw, none of the above relate to sailing, in particular racing
characteristics. As a racer, forget it (heeling hard makes for
mess below decks!) As a cruiser, fast enough and closewinded
enough.

But they all relate to comfort and the little things that become
a real pain as one gets older--things like not being able to
stand up, or not being able to raise knees in a coffin-like
bunk. It's still primitive compared with Thom's pilothouse
luxury, but then its warmer down here...
--
Flying Tadpole

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If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38. I had one chartered for 3
weeks in Eluthra, Bahamas. We sailed the Exuma Cays. A truly spectacular
vessel, quick and well built.

This summer I got to take the wheel of quite a few boats, Tayana 48, Shannon
38, Gemini 105, C&C 41....all new boats to me. I also sailed a few others in
North Carolina including a Hobie 18 and something called a Beneteau 21, which
I've seen many times but never sailed until recently.
Sailing various designs is great fun and you're right: Best way to find what
you like.

RB

If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38.

That's funny. While sailing today someone else was suggesting that boat to
Suzanne. Pricey boat, but beautiful.

RB

So, I recommend, around the 60 year mark in life start thinking about
what your last boat should be,


You should be proud to be still sailing, Thom. I hope you are at the very
least.

RB

If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38. I had one chartered for 3
weeks in Eluthra, Bahamas. We sailed the Exuma Cays. A truly spectacular
vessel, quick .

LOL.............. I guess everything is relative.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Careful now!!! ****head believes that you can't enjoy your current
boat if
you're not planning for the next one.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Barring any mishap...... Overproof is my last vessel.

I bothered to select the vessel that best suits my requirements over
a wide
range of sailing experiences. I can easily single-hand the vessel
and yet
carry up to 6 crew in comfort for extended passages.

Overproof's size, lines, behaviour and abilities exceed my base
criteria.

It was my only home for 9 years. I know her quirks and subtleties...
I talk
to my boat!

Last Boat ... Yes!

CM





"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| Scotti Potty brought up an interesting point, even if it was in an
attempt
to
| troll.
| How many of us are on our "last boats?"
| While many of us are happy with our current boats, we can easily
see
changes
| and expectations that can't be met by our current boats. My next
boat will
be
| 36 feet long....after that I may go even larger. My last boat will
probably be
| something much smaller, but sweet, such as a H28 or even a smaller
Nonsuch.
| So...How many of you are on your "Last boat" and if you're not
(most of us
| aren't ready to roll over yet) what boat do you see finishing up
on?
|
| RB

you like your boat for all the WRONG reasons. Looks, are what really
count. Nothing else matters, as long as she looks good.

Here's a quote for you to ponder, in your pond. ''I've yet to meet
anyone who made a sailboat choice with zero regard for the look of the
vessel.''


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...

But they all relate to comfort and the little things that become
a real pain as one gets older--things like not being able to
stand up, or not being able to raise knees in a coffin-like
bunk. It's still primitive compared with Thom's pilothouse
luxury, but then its warmer down here...
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
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Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace!
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Barring any mishap...... Overproof is my last vessel.

''Spoken like a guy who has no "next boat" in his future and little
future at all
for that matter. '' ....RB

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Barring any mishap...... Overproof is my last vessel.

So, you are raedy to roll over.


I bothered to select the vessel that best suits my requirements over
a wide
range of sailing experiences. I can easily single-hand the vessel
and yet
carry up to 6 crew in comfort for extended passages.

Overproof's size, lines, behaviour and abilities exceed my base
criteria.


''I've yet to meet anyone who made a sailboat choice with zero regard
for the
look of the vessel. A boat is not a car to most folks. As usual Moron
stupidly
tries to be practical about something that is a passion for many and
that's a
shame.''............****head RB

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
| If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38. I had one chartered
for 3
| weeks in Eluthra, Bahamas. We sailed the Exuma Cays. A truly spectacular
| vessel, quick .
|
| LOL.............. I guess everything is relative.

You've never been on a Cabo Rico 38.... then of course that's evident.

Express 30?? Good Grief!

CM

Cabo Rico 38 - QUICK

LOL........... Good grief.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

You know Cabo has one hell of fine "Pilothouse" in its family of boats
OT

If you have the opportunity... try a Cabo Rico 38. I had one chartered for 3
weeks in Eluthra, Bahamas. We sailed the Exuma Cays. A truly spectacular
vessel, quick .

LOL.............. I guess everything is relative.

No, you are just ignorant about boats. Mooron was obviously aboard a CRUISING
boat and the Cabo Rico is pretty fast across a wider range of conditions. She'd
probably beat your Express accross the Atlantic. She has five more feet of
waterline and a reasonable SAD over 18.00. She's heavy, but once moving she'll
keep moving.
Loco, you might want to do some research and learn that heavy boats can be
pretty quick. The Cabo Rico is superior to your boat in nearly every way,
except maybe for light air. A puppethead like you shouldn't be allowed to even
look at one.

RB

You've never been on a Cabo Rico 38.... then of course that's evident.


The only way that puppethead will get aboard a CR38 is with a stocking over his
head and a shotgun.

RB

You know Cabo has one hell of fine "Pilothouse" in its family of boats
OT


Yup....So does Shannon.

RB

you like your boat for all the WRONG reasons. Looks, are what really
count. Nothing else matters, as long as she looks good.


Wrong, Scotty. I test sailed a 32 before buying and traveled to do it.
You bought your boat without a test sail.
I did a ton of research and spoke to owners before buying, especially looking
at performance and quality compared to the P30. I even asked Steve and others
here.
You asked about your boat and got some warnings...all ignored because you
wanted a "bigger" boat for pennies.
I spoke to Bart yesterday and he agreed that you own a poor boat. (Sorry,
Bart!)
I understand your frustration.

RB

Here's a quote for you to ponder, in your pond. ''I've yet to meet
anyone who made a sailboat choice with zero regard for the look of the
vessel.''


Good reason for a new thread. Let's see how wrong you are.

RB

Careful now!!! ****head believes that you can't enjoy your current
boat if
you're not planning for the next one.


Your wife is planning for a new boat? Good for her!

RB

Barring any mishap...... Overproof is my last vessel.

So, you are raedy to roll over.


No, Scotty Potti. He already owns a high quality vessel and has owned his share
of smaller vessels. He didn't move down in quality as you did.

RB

Thom,
do you have any pics of your boat?
Scout

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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You know Cabo has one hell of fine "Pilothouse" in its family of boats
OT

What's your point?

"Bobsprit" wrote


Scotty already owns a high quality vessel and has owned his share
of smaller vessels. He didn't move down in quality .

RB

Stop lying, ****Head. What idiot would but a boat without a sea trial?



"Bobsprit" wrote in

You bought your boat without a test sail.

"Bob****" wrote


I test sailed a 32 before buying and traveled to do it.

I had all the sellers bring their boats to my house so I wouldn't have
to travel.


SV

"Bobsprit" wrote
I spoke to Bart yesterday and he agreed that you own a poor boat.
(Sorry,
Bart!)

Well Bart did say he knew more about women than boats , and after
reading his recent rants about women, which he doesn't understand at
all, I would say he is some what less than an expert.

Could you ask Bart his opinion on my wife?


I understand frustration.

RB

Stop lying, ****Head. What idiot would but a boat without a sea trial?


You did.


RB

What's your point?




Scott, most of us here have little doubt that you think you own a good boat. I
also have little doubt that the dwarf warriors of Asgard believed that dragons
invented the game of chess.
Dream on, trailer trash!

RB

Did knot, Liar.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Stop lying, ****Head. What idiot would but a boat without a sea
trial?


You did.


RB

"Bobsprit" wrote ...
What's your point?


Scott, most of us here have little doubt that you think you own a
good boat.

So, what is your point?

Hell, there's never any point, just another futile attempt by BS to minimize
his raging inferiority complex.
John Cairns
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote ...
What's your point?


Scott, most of us here have little doubt that you think you own a
good boat.

So, what is your point?