I'm left sorely disappointed in your judgment on this matter
and it's more than obvious we shall remain miles apart on this topic.


I'll tell you why I feel as I do...I deal with people in these situations
every day...I'm glad the guy has learned something before it was too
late...we have had people come through ours doors that were nigh unto death
from unconscious neglect because people just aren't aware....we have had
family members who have had their parents literally taken away by the court
system because they tried to do it at home and ended up making their parent
a drug addict because they couldn't handle the situation. Want to know what
the leading problem is with home care for the elderly? Family abuse.
People don't mean to retaliate...they just don't have the eloping mechanisms
to be able to handle the stress of dementia and Alzheimer's and they don't
know where or when to go for help. Or they are too proud to go for help
because after all, they can handle it. I sit on the other end of the
picture. I've seen the wife who, angered by the fact that her husband is no
longer who he used to be, tried to slowly poison him to death. We've had
the families that believe it is better to let a diabetic member drink
themselves to death at home then to try to wean them from alcohol and
possibly save a portion of what's left of their lives. We actually have
people who sneak in medications they think their parents should have,
administer them secretly, and then when the medications react with what the
doctor's prescribe, all hell breaks loose...we had one guy who would wheel
his wife off the property to give her narcotics...we caught him and he now
no longer has any type of visiting privileges without another family member
and a staff member present. You do not see the whole picture. You are
seeing only one little part of the picture. When you see the abuse that
goes on, just as bad as child abuse, then maybe you too would change your
tune.
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You know, Mooron, part of this has to do with the fact that you are dealing
with the Canadian social medicine program. My cousin in Ontario was a home
health aide and worked in a nursing home for a long time and she said
conditions were desperate. I know from my daughter-in-law, who works in a
home in Georgia, that the quality of care is not the same as here in
Michigan. For the most part, Michigan homes are run decently. Like I said,
ours is a top of the line establishment and is totally private pay. My
aunt, however, was in a Medicare/Medicaid funded home last spring after
heart surgery and the care she received was outstanding. If you're coming
fromthe premise that yes, Canadian nursing homes leave a lot to be desired,
then maybe I can see your point. It's not like that, here, though. We are
regulated to death and the smallest complaint from a family member has the
State of Michigan investigating immediately lobby group, Citizens for Better
Care on our doorstep for an investigation. The fines and penalties if
you're found negligent are steep and are paid over to the resident.

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

My Dad is 87 and he still does his paper route that I got for him
3
years ago. Darned if he's gonna squander away my inheritance.

Gee, Scoot, a well-placed Rottweiler might come in handy . . .

Really? Wher should I place him?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

My Dad is 87 and he still does his paper route that I got for him 3
years ago. Darned if he's gonna squander away my inheritance.

Gee, Scoot, a well-placed Rottweiler might come in handy . . .

Max
:-)

"katysails" wrote in message
| I'll tell you why I feel as I do...I deal with people in these situations
You do not see the whole picture. You are
| seeing only one little part of the picture. When you see the abuse that
| goes on, just as bad as child abuse, then maybe you too would change your
| tune.

The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions...... I've heard it before!
There are many failures by many people with honourable intentions.... don't
label those with these intentions as "assholes".... it's not fair and not
fitting.

You convieniently fail to mention the many cases of abuse by staff of the
"nursing homes" to which some family friends have been subjected to. It's
not always the family that is incapable and inconsiderate of the needs of
their elders.

Yes it's overwhelming at times ... and yes it requires a doubling of the
workload at times. I agree not everyone has the ability to take on such
responsibility... but valiant effort should be guided.. not punished. This
is where the whole situation lacks cohesion..... if care is to be learned
then maybe we should teach and not accuse.

No... I wouldn't change my tune.

I have nobody to look after me in my old age. No children, no wife.... and
siblings that will have their own problems. I'll not become a ward of the
state. I'd sooner die through the failings of someone with "good intentions"
.... but far better to be sailing longer than it's safe for me to handle a
vessel. Too Proud to take charity and way too stubborn to cage!

I have need for no one. I never have and never will...... others are not as
fortunate.

CM

Never say never CM. I learned my lesson regarding pride 15 years ago, when
I broke my back doing construction work. You know the old saying, the bigger
they are, yadda yadda. Well it's true. People can claim whatever they like
in this ng, but I'm telling you that I'm a guy who knows what it's like to
walk the darkest city street and not be afraid. In my prime I was stronger,
faster, and bigger than most people. Then I went down, and hard. When I
couldn't walk (for 6 months), I learned humility. It's a good and important
lesson. I've since regained much of my strength through hard physical
effort, but I'll never again say that I don't need other people. You just
don't know what the future holds.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"katysails" wrote in message
| I'll tell you why I feel as I do...I deal with people in these
situations
You do not see the whole picture. You are
| seeing only one little part of the picture. When you see the abuse that
| goes on, just as bad as child abuse, then maybe you too would change
your
| tune.

The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions...... I've heard it
before!
There are many failures by many people with honourable intentions....
don't
label those with these intentions as "assholes".... it's not fair and not
fitting.

You convieniently fail to mention the many cases of abuse by staff of the
"nursing homes" to which some family friends have been subjected to. It's
not always the family that is incapable and inconsiderate of the needs of
their elders.

Yes it's overwhelming at times ... and yes it requires a doubling of the
workload at times. I agree not everyone has the ability to take on such
responsibility... but valiant effort should be guided.. not punished. This
is where the whole situation lacks cohesion..... if care is to be learned
then maybe we should teach and not accuse.

No... I wouldn't change my tune.

I have nobody to look after me in my old age. No children, no wife.... and
siblings that will have their own problems. I'll not become a ward of the
state. I'd sooner die through the failings of someone with "good
intentions"
... but far better to be sailing longer than it's safe for me to handle a
vessel. Too Proud to take charity and way too stubborn to cage!

I have need for no one. I never have and never will...... others are not
as
fortunate.

CM