good point - reminds me of that biblical story of the man euthanizing his
old father, and his son telling him to save the basket for later.
Scout

"Maxprop" wrote
Even more to the point, our kids need to realize that about us, their
parents.

Even more to the point, our kids need to realize that about us, their
parents.

Because of Grandma, my kids are aware and make it a point to go to the
nursing home, even though she doesn't remember them...and my grandkids go
too....there is no shielding from reality....we have residents whose
families actually do not bring children because they can't bear them to see
what has become of their grandparent...so the image of the sweet, kindly
person they once knew stays in their mind instead of facing the realities of
life...is on par with people who don't allow children to go to funerals
because they shouldn't see grief and suffering....
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Mooron,
Ad hominem attacks about my religious beliefs (which, BTW, I don't foist
upon people) and my work environment are nothing but that...personal
attacks. I did not attack you about this situation. You openly speak of
what kind of care giver you are and I commend you for it. You have also
over the past two years tracked your Dad's health and have been on top of it
and noticed the changes...and yet, you've been working and sailing and
having a life. So why can you do that and this other guy can't? He was
negligent and unobservant and I have no pity for him in this situation, on;y
for his poor mother...and BTW, I have all along agreed that the store is
very wrong....

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My Dad is 87 and he still does his paper route that I got for him 3
years ago. Darned if he's gonna squander away my inheritance.


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Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

That may well be Katy.... but I can't really see how you can stand judgment
on someone when they are trying... and it is a trial & error situation for
us all!! My Dad always told me that the only people who don't screw up are
the ones not doing anything! As far as the Lady's Son is concerned... he's
devastated... he's now more aware... he's learned from this but that will
not mitigate the damage nor the results. Zellers is proceeding with the case
in court.

I get pretty riled up when I see Bully picking on someone weaker.... the
last thing I want to hear is someone telling me it was the victim's fault
because they shouldn't have ventured there. In your case it's blame for the
son who shouldn't have let her wander there. I don't see it that way....
and it irks me to no end that you would. We are all due basic common
respect.

Now ... I've worked a nine hour day.. was up at 0530 hrs to complete the
chores prior to driving the hour to town and came back to find my Dad had
taken full advantage that Mom had to go for Physiotherapy, [I picked her up
after my brother dropped her off]... left the garden hose on and flooded the
tomatoes, removed the phone from the hook and no calls came through.... but
not before he buttered and jellied an entire loaf of bread into neat little
sandwiches... placing each one in a line... he still does not know why.
Yeah... we left him at home alone.... I guess I must be an asshole as well.
Odd... but I wouldn't trade the aggravation for all the tea in china.

Regarding my rash words.... In retrospect ... you are correct... and I
apologize for my statement regarding your religious beliefs... it was
uncalled for and unwarranted.

That said.... I'm left sorely disappointed in your judgment on this matter
and it's more than obvious we shall remain miles apart on this topic.


CM



"katysails" wrote in message
...
| Mooron,
| Ad hominem attacks about my religious beliefs (which, BTW, I don't foist
| upon people) and my work environment are nothing but that...personal
| attacks. I did not attack you about this situation. You openly speak of
| what kind of care giver you are and I commend you for it. You have also
| over the past two years tracked your Dad's health and have been on top of
it
| and noticed the changes...and yet, you've been working and sailing and
| having a life. So why can you do that and this other guy can't? He was
| negligent and unobservant and I have no pity for him in this situation,
on;y
| for his poor mother...and BTW, I have all along agreed that the store is
| very wrong....
|
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| s/v Chanteuse
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| http://katysails.tripod.com
|
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My niece is over to the house almost everyday. She has seen her grandparents
slip down that slope but is involved in everything they do. She is the light
of their lives and we have discussed this aging topic with her. She'll help
her grandfather and grandmother with chores and forces them to take walks
with her. She helps me with killing the meat birds but is very careful and
attentive to the livestock. She knows her responsibilities and has a firm
grasp on the realities of life.

These are the benefits of having your family together..... she's only 6
years old. She's way ahead of her peers in comprehension of the world and
will develop into a fine young lady.

I pity the false protection offered by the well intentioned but mistaken
majority.

CM


"katysails" wrote in message
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|
| Even more to the point, our kids need to realize that about us, their
| parents.
|
| Because of Grandma, my kids are aware and make it a point to go to the
| nursing home, even though she doesn't remember them...and my grandkids go
| too....there is no shielding from reality....we have residents whose
| families actually do not bring children because they can't bear them to
see
| what has become of their grandparent...so the image of the sweet, kindly
| person they once knew stays in their mind instead of facing the realities
of
| life...is on par with people who don't allow children to go to funerals
| because they shouldn't see grief and suffering....

I concur Max..... I already have my parent's "Money"... I'm spending it on
them!
I carry my own bills.... I don't need hand-outs or charity.

CM

"Maxprop" wrote in message
link.net...
|
| "katysails" wrote in message
|
| I'm not going to drag the scenario of what we went through on this
public
| forum, Max, but suffice it to say, the "sister protector" as you called
| her
| was after one thing...money...and if you sit through Care Conferences
that
| involve family members, that is what motivates most people in their
| decisions about nursing homes, health care, etc. Mom's money is now
being
| used to take care of her. We do not care if there is nothing left over
| when
| she goes. Unfortunately, that was not the case on the other side. the
| other thing is that she lives in Minnesota, removed from the situation.
| And
| like I said, we see Mom every day. We go in at mealtime and feed her.
I
| do
| some of her personal care. So, in retrospect, your judgment of me is
| about
| par with mine of you...and that's the last of this discussion.
|
| Yes, sadly I'm aware that money often plays a part in such situations.
| We're facing this now with Janie's mother (Alzheimer's, in a facility) and
| her father (living independently). We, like you, don't give a rodent's
| posterior if he spends all his money caring for her and himself. To the
| contrary, we believe, as good conservatives do, that the gummint (read:
us
| taxpayers) should not have to bear that burden. But my in-laws see
things
| differently, and would love to cash in someday. Such was not the case in
| Dad's situation. Neither my brother nor I wanted his money. So that was
| not an issue.
|
| Nuf said.
|
| Max
|
|

....and it happens if we let it Scout... only if we let it.

CM


"Scout" wrote in message
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| Well, I can understand your anger. If you've got the time to fight this
one
| that's great - but then why not go bigger? Why not go for changes in
| Canada's protection laws for people with mental difficulties. What will
stop
| this from happening at some other store? It seems like you have the
| necessary motivation, so why not think bigger?
| Look at what happened to 86 year old reporter Mike Wallace in New York
| yesterday (arrested and hand cuffed for having the audacity to ASK
QUESTIONS
| to a cop!). The abuse paradigm in our police systems has indeed trickled
| down to all areas of security. Imagine 2 angry cops man-handling an old
man
| like that, and then reporting that he "was disrespectful and appeared
close
| to lunging." Jesus Christ, the paperwork they write can make anyone look
| like a violent criminal, deserving of the beating the cops give them.
Here's
| what the Rev Casy said in "The Grapes of Wrath" when he was asked why the
| cops arrested him: "I talked back."
| John Steinbeck knew what he was talking about.
| Scout
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| It was explained to them at the time and they could have taken action
| then.
| A short time later they attempted intimidation tactics to scare off the
| family involved.
|
| No Scout... this is just a sign of the fact we are having an effect on
| their
| policy. I plan to make certain we have a written policy change from
| them...
| apologies are easy when you don't mean them and dropping the charges are
| easier when your lawyers advise you to.
|
| Drop this?... no way!.... We'll stay the course until the white flag is
| hoisted and the vessel stands down, comes about and meets our demands.
|
| CM
|
|
| "Scout" wrote in message
| ...
| | I hope you will accept their "apologies" gracefully. What can be
gained
| by
| | anything else? If you were to play hardball at this point, it will
look
| bad
| | later when they say they "offered apologies and dropped charges, but
| nothing
| | was good enough."
| | "After all," they will say, "it is our responsibility to minimize
| pricing
| by
| | controlling loss, for the sake of our customers, no matter the
reason."
| | Let it go.
| | Scout
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| | You bet....
| |
| | I've just heard they seem to have changed their tune and want to
| "talk"...
| |
| | They are willing to drop the charges if we will "cease & desist"
this
| | campaign.
| |
| | Apparently this is not the first time such an incident has
transpired
| with
| | this firm!!
| |
| | You can guess our reply....
| |
| | CM
| |
| | "katysails" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | Are you allowed to picket in Canada?
| | |
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| | | s/v Chanteuse
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| | | http://katysails.tripod.com
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| | | "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should
| relax
| | | and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein
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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

I concur Max..... I already have my parent's "Money"... I'm spending it
on
them!
I carry my own bills.... I don't need hand-outs or charity.

A lawyer friend, who litigates estate disputes, once commented that the
ugliest side of human nature is familial greed. He sees it daily, and is
repulsed by it. That's probably why he went into his line of work--to put
up a roadblock in the paths of those who'd do anything to get their hands on
their so-called inheritances, including killing their parents (three cases
he's dealt with).

Max

I cannot for the life of me understand such thinking..... good grief!

It's proof positive that most people have way more than they need and don't
have a clue what they want!

CM



"Maxprop" wrote in message
| A lawyer friend, who litigates estate disputes, once commented that the
| ugliest side of human nature is familial greed. He sees it daily, and is
| repulsed by it. That's probably why he went into his line of work--to put
| up a roadblock in the paths of those who'd do anything to get their hands
on
| their so-called inheritances, including killing their parents (three cases
| he's dealt with).
|
| Max
|
|