Oh, well that I agree with!

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:44:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Why do you think he would scoff at a GPS? Cell phone for sure, but
seems to me he would think the GPS is a practical device.

I don't think he would scoff at a GPS or a Cell phone if he were alive
today.
But to hear a "modern" sailor call these items spartan, compared to what
he had
available would make him bust a gut for sure.

BB

You may be right Thom.
Here's what A.Einstein said about technology: "the price of technology is
trouble."
Ain't it the truth?
I tend to think folks from the past would be in awe of our technology; I
also believe they would pity us, for other reasons.
Scout


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Scout,

Old Josh would scoff at anything with an electrical power supply. We
forget, in our new world of information, that in Josh's world the dry
cell battery was a pure PITA.

Katy talks about no computer and using a IBM electric and snail mail. I
remember sending out the monthly bill payments by check, envelope and
three cent stamps. All for a cost of less than 50 cents!

We've come a long way but we do pay a terrible monetry price.

What we accept as normal today would definitely be scoff at by past
generations.
I'm not sure scoff is the right word. Pity comes to mind,

Ole Thom

whatever do you mean, he had a gps! (provided the sky was clear)
Scout

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Oh, well that I agree with!

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wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:44:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Why do you think he would scoff at a GPS? Cell phone for sure, but
seems to me he would think the GPS is a practical device.

I don't think he would scoff at a GPS or a Cell phone if he were alive
today.
But to hear a "modern" sailor call these items spartan, compared to what
he had
available would make him bust a gut for sure.

BB

If here were here I'd borrow these paraphrased words from Sir I. Newton to
thank him: what {we} know, we stood on the shoulders of giants to find out.
Scout


wrote in message
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 22:44:04 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"

wrote:

Why do you think he would scoff at a GPS? Cell phone for sure, but
seems to me he would think the GPS is a practical device.

I don't think he would scoff at a GPS or a Cell phone if he were alive
today.
But to hear a "modern" sailor call these items spartan, compared to what
he had
available would make him bust a gut for sure.

BB

Bill,

You're right. It is amassing just how much they got right with what
those GIANTS had to go on.
Flat Earth
Sun and Stars revolving around earth
Dragons all around them
4 cornered Earth
Just to mention a few.
The Mayan's centuries ago said that the end of our time would end in
2012. I won't be here to witness it but if I was a betting man I'm not
to sure I'd bet against it. Not with all they got right. They also got a
lot wrong. It took mental giants to know the difference.

OT

Bill??
Dis here be Scout!

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Bill,

You're right. It is amassing just how much they got right with what
those GIANTS had to go on.
Flat Earth
Sun and Stars revolving around earth
Dragons all around them
4 cornered Earth
Just to mention a few.
The Mayan's centuries ago said that the end of our time would end in
2012. I won't be here to witness it but if I was a betting man I'm not
to sure I'd bet against it. Not with all they got right. They also got a
lot wrong. It took mental giants to know the difference.

OT

Scout,

See how things change?

I think this damned heat has gotten to me?
It's like summer in Lower Bucks County.
Getting Housebound!!

Ole Thom

Yeh, I had similar. The first modem I bought was $450 and was good
up to 1200 baud. I thought it was a fantastic deal and quite cutting
edge at the time. (I had been using the expensive crap at work.) My
first HD was a whopping 17 megs. That also cost about $500. Nothing
but trouble. It was external since I couldn't fit in the box, but the cables
were a couple of inches too long and it was always flaking due to
signal degradation.

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"Michael" wrote in message
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Kaypro with 65K and 300 baud modem. Hard drive was separate and as big as
a
shoebox.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Well that figures.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 23 Jul 2004 12:23:06 -0500, Dave wrote this
crap:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:28:21 GMT, "Scout"
said:

My first connection was just 1200 bps (bulletin boards).

Ah, such a child. My first was at the then state of the art speed of
300.


The first time I connected to the internet with my OWN computer, was a
Commodore VIC-20, at 300 baud.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You have to touch it?? You have to say it? I would prefer to just
think it. :-)

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"Michael" wrote in message
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First high capacity hard drive our store sold was to a programmer. His
business ponied up a bit over a $1,000 for it. How much capacity? 80MB.
That's it. Myfirst computer, the Kaypro had 64K RAM and two DSDD 360k FD.
One more. Our store was the first in the state to sell laser printers for
under $1,000 and our first full bed b&w scanner was purchased wholesale to
us for about the same amount. And the original Kaypro with daisy wheel
for
the nice stuff and dot matrix wide carraige ran $2,000 for everything.
That
was in 1983, just 21 years ago. We had the first BB in our store on a 20mb
HD. Not much but it got folks started. Phone company wanted to charge us
an extra line and by the minute. But they were up for franchise renewal,
had Sprint to compete with and I was on the city council. . . . . . .

Now my wris****ch has more computing power than that first Kaypro ....

What's next insight? A badge or somethingsimilar. You touch it and say,
"Computer!"


"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Yeh, I had similar. The first modem I bought was $450 and was good
up to 1200 baud. I thought it was a fantastic deal and quite cutting
edge at the time. (I had been using the expensive crap at work.) My
first HD was a whopping 17 megs. That also cost about $500. Nothing
but trouble. It was external since I couldn't fit in the box, but the
cables
were a couple of inches too long and it was always flaking due to
signal degradation.

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"Michael" wrote in message
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Kaypro with 65K and 300 baud modem. Hard drive was separate and as
big
as
a
shoebox.

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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Well that figures.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
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On 23 Jul 2004 12:23:06 -0500, Dave wrote this
crap:

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:28:21 GMT, "Scout"

said:

My first connection was just 1200 bps (bulletin boards).

Ah, such a child. My first was at the then state of the art speed
of
300.


The first time I connected to the internet with my OWN computer,
was
a
Commodore VIC-20, at 300 baud.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

That's exactly it Thom!
I'm stuck here, remodeling the house in order to sell it. I'm sick of
drywall and spackle, plumbing, installing new windows, staining, painting,
wiring, blah blah blah. I just want to have fun, but here I am.
Scout.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Scout,

See how things change?

I think this damned heat has gotten to me?
It's like summer in Lower Bucks County.
Getting Housebound!!

Ole Thom