No, but many other things you've said make you a dope. Your mindless backing
of a bad president who doesn't even support you also makes you one hell of a
dope

Right, briliant.
By the way I'm not looking for the president or anyone else in government to
support me unlike you democrat dimwits who expect all your needs to be taken
care of cradle to grave by "entitlements"
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

DSK wrote:

Wolfie wrote:


At any rate your figures aren't accurate representations of
the budget process -


Of course not. The idea is not to tell the truth, but to tell a plausible
lie that supports the agenda... propaganda, in other words.



- Clinton's last few budgets DID run
surpluses, more taxes being collected than the government
was spending. The difference between the *budget* and
the federal debt is government agencies -- trust funds, like
Social Security -- buying securities for investments.


Carefuly, don't confuse the issue with facts. The basic point here is that
the Clinton-hatred industry has been *very* successful and is still
producing votes for the Republicans. This crowd has never been big on facts
& rational thought anyway.


Fascists don't like thought either.

Cheers

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Damn! imagine that. A politician that lied. STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Hold
the
front page. Bob**** made a startling discovery. A politician lied.
Who'd
a thunk it.

Scotty, I like bush


Do you really have to put your sexual preference in your sig?

yes, bob makes me nervous.

On 29 Jun 2004 11:06:22 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus." Just another lie from the
crookedest administration in history.


Bush also called what Clinton did a "surplus" and debated with Gore about what
to do with it.
So Bush is also a liar then!

That's just your way of spinning it.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 29 Jun 2004 11:24:30 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

I know it's hard for you to understand. Slick Willie borrowed more
money than he needed, and called it a surplus. So there was money
left over, but it certainly wasn't a surplus.


Ahhhhh, I see! So then Bush lied and used the "fake" surplus to give everyone
300 dollars!

I'm suprised you don't drill yourself into the ground with all the
spinning you do.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:58:47 GMT, "Wolfie" wrote
this crap:


As anyone can see, the debt increased every year. There never was a
surplus. It was another Clinton lie.

That's total debt, including both public and *government* owned
obligations. Only the public owned obligations reflect the budget
surplus (or deficit) -- the government owned ones reflect federal
agencies buying government securities as investments.

Public-owned debt was:

09/28/2001 3,339,310,176,094.74
09/29/2000 3,405,303,490,221.20
09/30/1999 3,636,104,594,501.81
09/30/1998 3,733,864,472,163.53
09/30/1997 3,789,667,546,849.60

Which clearly shows budget surpluses (from tax revenues being
greater than expenditures) in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001.
It's now up to 4,218,409,719,114.26 (as of 6/25/04), an
increase of 879,099,543,019.52 for Bush's budgets so far.

That's your story.

At any rate your figures aren't accurate representations of
the budget process -- Clinton's last few budgets DID run
surpluses, more taxes being collected than the government
was spending. The difference between the *budget* and
the federal debt is government agencies -- trust funds, like
Social Security -- buying securities for investments.


Bull****. My figures showed TOTAL Debt. Your figures don't represent
total expenditures.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:02:21 GMT, "Wolfie" wrote
this crap:

Horvath wrote:

The budget HAS to be balanced every
year. If there's not enough, we increase the debt.

Right.

Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus."

That's just nonsense. Clinton's last few budgets collected more
in taxes than the federal government spent, cutting the publicly
held portion of the federal debt. Meanwhile Social Security
(to name one) were buying federal securities because they were
collecting more money than they were spending as well, adding
to the overall debt by adding to the intergovernmental holdings.


That's your story. I just showed the facts.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scott Vernon wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:


Damn! imagine that. A politician that lied. STOP THE PRESSES!!!! Hold

the

front page. Bob**** made a startling discovery. A politician lied.

Who'd

a thunk it.

Scotty, I like bush


Do you really have to put your sexual preference in your sig?


yes, bob makes me nervous.


Do you mean nauseous?

Cheers

We're all surprised you can type.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 29 Jun 2004 11:24:30 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote this
crap:

I know it's hard for you to understand. Slick Willie borrowed more
money than he needed, and called it a surplus. So there was money
left over, but it certainly wasn't a surplus.


Ahhhhh, I see! So then Bush lied and used the "fake" surplus to give
everyone
300 dollars!

I'm suprised you don't drill yourself into the ground with all the
spinning you do.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

You just did.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:02:21 GMT, "Wolfie" wrote
this crap:

Horvath wrote:

The budget HAS to be balanced every
year. If there's not enough, we increase the debt.

Right.

Clinton borrowed more money than he needed, balanced the budget, and
called the left over money a "surplus."

That's just nonsense. Clinton's last few budgets collected more
in taxes than the federal government spent, cutting the publicly
held portion of the federal debt. Meanwhile Social Security
(to name one) were buying federal securities because they were
collecting more money than they were spending as well, adding
to the overall debt by adding to the intergovernmental holdings.


That's your story. I just showed the fags.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!