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CM,

I think what Kate is saying; Before Man had Knowledge his actions were
pre-determined. With knowledge his actions became a choose. His own. It
was man that made rules to make it Good or EVIL

I can buy into that.

Ole Thom

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And so, about God Nutsy,

Creation; How did it happen? Not that it matters. It happened.

So, there was something there that caused the Emanation to form
Creation. What ever that immanation came from that to me is God, or what
ever you want to call it.

I don't know what it is. It sure isn't the god of Earth's organized
Religions but since don't know what it is, I have no right to tell
anyone they are wrong;----

THERE IS A GOD, God exists in my faith. Screw you and your agnostic
nature

EVIL is the invention of Man, not God.
That poor child was an invention of yours and was, if it would have been
real, was the results of man's breeding

You don't believe in a God but you sure as hell believe in his faults.
So, my friend, if you don't believe how can you fault God.
You are one of those human who invent EVIL

Ole Thom
P/S You, Susy and the Baby are in my Prayers nightly. May you be Blessed

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Scotty asked: is the part about Eves' first bath and why fish smell also an
ALLEGORY?

No...that's just pure conjecture....

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Thom asked:
Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge

No... evil always existed as a potential wherever there is free
will....without a conscience, man did not have free will....once a
conscience developed, he chose to do evil freely....
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THom said: I think what Kate is saying; Before Man had Knowledge his actions
were
pre-determined

No way.....nothing is pre-determined or for that matter, pre-destined.
Before that, man had the moral consciousness of any other animal...

And then Thom said: It
was man that made rules to make it Good or EVIL

Nope...the rules were in place before man gained a conscience...he just
didn't have to play by them yet....


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What has conscience to do with free will?

Cheers

katysails wrote:

Thom asked:
Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge

No... evil always existed as a potential wherever there is free
will....without a conscience, man did not have free will....once a
conscience developed, he chose to do evil freely....

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But Kook it said fruit. Are you saying it's all lies?

Cheers

katysails wrote:

MC asked: So why was eating fruit from the tree of knowledge forbidden?

For the love a....there was NO fruit...it's an allegory....what it indicates
is that since mankind now had the ability to choose...because he now had a
conscience...life would become much more difficult....he would be affected
by his actions....he would have to think about everything and make
plans....he would have to weigh judgments....life became more complicated as
soon as man eveolved into sentience...

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perhaps Katy meant to say, "consciousness"?
Scout

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What has conscience to do with free will?

Cheers

katysails wrote:

Thom asked:
Then can I conclude that EVIL came with Knowledge

No... evil always existed as a potential wherever there is free
will....without a conscience, man did not have free will....once a
conscience developed, he chose to do evil freely....

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MC asked:
What has conscience to do with free will?

Everything
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MC asked:
But Kook it said fruit. Are you saying it's all lies?

Allegories are not lies...they are lessons....they are symbolic....
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