Where Credit Is Due
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Prove it.


The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it
only changes form.

Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used?

My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on
top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him.

Joe




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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Thom Stewart) wrote in message
...
Thanks Nutsy,

You answered Kate very well.

Ole Thom


No so fast Ol Thom,

Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives on.

Joe

Where Credit Is Due
 

All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as
heat and motion.

What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's
beautiful. I have 42 virgins?

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www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Prove it.


The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it
only changes form.

Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used?

My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on
top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him.

Joe




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Thom Stewart) wrote in message
...
Thanks Nutsy,

You answered Kate very well.

Ole Thom


No so fast Ol Thom,

Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives
on.

Joe

Where Credit Is Due
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as
heat and motion.

Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion.
That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and
water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect
examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when
your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to
change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will
be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy
that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to
feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up.



What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's
beautiful. I have 42 virgins?

No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass
the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that
let them know.

I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream
the night he died.

One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was
about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with
the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate
songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or
since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent
that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink
truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders
vanished.

One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle.
This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his
wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his
daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his
daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she
would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to
her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her.

I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as
revealing in time.

We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our
success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get
my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our
futures...

Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I
would of gotten thru it without his messages.

You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better.

And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass!

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Prove it.


The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it
only changes form.

Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used?

My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on
top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him.

Joe




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Thom Stewart) wrote in message
...
Thanks Nutsy,

You answered Kate very well.

Ole Thom


No so fast Ol Thom,

Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt lives
on.

Joe

Where Credit Is Due
 

Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those
that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of
suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So
what.

The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just
don't foist it on me.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as
heat and motion.

Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion.
That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and
water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect
examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when
your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to
change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will
be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy
that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to
feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up.



What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's
beautiful. I have 42 virgins?

No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass
the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that
let them know.

I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream
the night he died.

One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was
about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with
the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate
songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or
since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent
that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink
truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders
vanished.

One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle.
This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his
wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his
daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his
daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she
would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to
her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her.

I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as
revealing in time.

We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our
success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get
my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our
futures...

Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I
would of gotten thru it without his messages.

You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better.

And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass!

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Prove it.


The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it
only changes form.

Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used?

My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on
top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him.

Joe




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Thom Stewart) wrote in message
...
Thanks Nutsy,

You answered Kate very well.

Ole Thom


No so fast Ol Thom,

Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt
lives
on.

Joe

Where Credit Is Due
 

It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul
hypothesis.

Cheers

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those
that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of
suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So
what.

The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just
don't foist it on me.

Where Credit Is Due
 

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those
that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of
suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So
what.

Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss
not mine.
I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5
things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them
make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why
not after your body is gone?
Your body just water and chemicals.

And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you?



The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just
don't foist it on me.

Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much.

Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is
most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do.

Joe





--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as
heat and motion.

Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion.
That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and
water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect
examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when
your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to
change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will
be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy
that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to
feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up.



What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's
beautiful. I have 42 virgins?

No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass
the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that
let them know.

I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream
the night he died.

One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was
about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with
the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate
songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or
since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent
that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink
truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders
vanished.

One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle.
This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his
wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his
daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his
daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she
would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to
her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her.

I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as
revealing in time.

We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our
success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get
my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our
futures...

Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I
would of gotten thru it without his messages.

You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better.

And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass!

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Prove it.


The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up, it
only changes form.

Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used?

My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And on
top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from him.

Joe




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Thom Stewart) wrote in message
...
Thanks Nutsy,

You answered Kate very well.

Ole Thom


No so fast Ol Thom,

Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and spirt
lives
on.

Joe

Where Credit Is Due
 

Navigator wrote in message ...
It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul
hypothesis.


Tell me more Nav, show me evidence.

Joe

Cheers

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those
that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of
suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So
what.

The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just
don't foist it on me.

Where Credit Is Due
 

You could care less what I think, but you insist that we care what
you think. Makes a lot of sense. You seem to condemn anyone
who doesn't believe like you do. You promote your ideas here
for what reason? I'm still not getting it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those
that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of
suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So
what.

Like I said I could care less what you think of it. It's your loss
not mine.
I was convinced, had nothing to do with fantasy. When you have 5
things written down on paper show others, and then see all of them
make sence one by one it becomes fact. Why are you able to exist? Why
not after your body is gone?
Your body just water and chemicals.

And you asked so how do you feel that I "Foist" anything on you?



The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just
don't foist it on me.

Hey dont beleive, run from it if the ideal scares you to much.

Like I said, its your right to think the whole ideal is BS, there is
most likely a good reason for many to feel the way you do.

Joe





--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
All supposition. The "energy" stored in your body is used up as
heat and motion.

Its not used up Johnathan, it did change form to heat and motion.
That heat and motion was a different energy form dervied from food and
water, food energy was derived from earth and sun, all perfect
examples of how energy changes form yet never is used up. Even when
your body is rotting in the ground that energy could be picked up to
change to grass growing on your grave to be eaten by a cow that will
be eaten by you to be used as heat and motion. Some of the cows energy
that you intake will be passed as waste that could fertilize corn to
feed another cow. It's an endless cycle. Energy is never used up.



What was the message? Let me guess... I'm in heaven and it's
beautiful. I have 42 virgins?

No it was more like everything's OK, carry on with your lifes, pass
the message on to my kids and wife. And I did, in shocking ways that
let them know.

I will tell you 2 of the messages, all these messages came in a dream
the night he died.

One was a milkman in a pink truck, I had no ideal what that was
about. But the next moring an icecream truck came thru the marina with
the music speakers blaring Home Home on the Range. One of his favorate
songs. Never has an Icecream truck driven thru this marina before or
since. And what a strange song for an Icecream truck. I knew he sent
that truck and the music was a message. BTW it was a white over pink
truck. All the weight and worry and saddness piled on my sholders
vanished.

One other of the messages I did not understand was a crystal angle.
This was seen in the dream, I had no ideal what it ment. I told his
wife about it and she could not figure it out either. 2 min later his
daughter walked in the room with a crystal angle that he gave her, his
daughter did not hear my conversation with his wife. She said she
would always treasure that angle and remember her father giving it to
her. It was just a small little gift that ment alot to her.

I'm going to keep the other messages private, but they were just as
revealing in time.

We were best friends, built a company together and celebrated our
success together. We worked hard and played harder. He helped me get
my boat, we were to sail to Europe and had big plans for our
futures...

Myself Im just grateful. It was a very tying time, dont know how I
would of gotten thru it without his messages.

You may think its BS and thats your right. I know better.

And you can take your 42 virgins and stick em up your ass!

Joe


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Prove it.


The soul is energy stored in your body. Energy is never used up,
it
only changes form.

Tell me of one type of energy that does not change form when used?

My best friend sent me a message after he died here on earth. And
on
top of that he showed me about 5 signs that the message was from
him.

Joe




--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
(Thom Stewart) wrote in message
...
Thanks Nutsy,

You answered Kate very well.

Ole Thom


No so fast Ol Thom,

Death of the body may be predetermined, But the soul and
spirt
lives
on.

Joe

Where Credit Is Due
 

Navigator wrote in message ...
It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul
hypothesis.


What is soul Nav?

If you are not sure there is a soul and wish evidence then just
look at yourself or a friend or an animal whatever. Now when
something dies it no longer moves or animates or breathes. So is not
the breath evidence of soul? As a matter of fact the Greek word for
spirit or soul is pneuma which is the word for breath. If the body is
not animated then there is no soul in it. Matter is dead without soul
residing in it.

Joe

Cheers

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Right, but there is no evidence for "soul." There is no evidence for
anything beyond now. In fact, the belief in a "beyond" when those
that believe it force it on others is the cause for a great deal of
suffering in the now. We all know about the theory of Gaia. So
what.

The rest is all fanatsy on your part. You're welcome to it, just
don't foist it on me.

Where Credit Is Due
 

So you are saying someone confused 'soul' with exhaled air? So if you
pump exhaled air back into the dead they should reanimate???

Cheers

Joe wrote:

Navigator wrote in message ...

It's worse than that, there is physical evidence against the soul
hypothesis.



What is soul Nav?

If you are not sure there is a soul and wish evidence then just
look at yourself or a friend or an animal whatever. Now when
something dies it no longer moves or animates or breathes. So is not
the breath evidence of soul? As a matter of fact the Greek word for
spirit or soul is pneuma which is the word for breath. If the body is
not animated then there is no soul in it. Matter is dead without soul
residing in it.

Joe