katysails wrote:

MC stated:
Nice fence you've got there Kook!

It's not a fence...it's not something that you have to take a side about
since both sides can be explained if you use reason and understand the use
of allegory as a teaching instrument....

Is that like blood everywhere?

Cheers

Hey! At least it's not wet paint!

Cheers

katysails wrote:

MC insisted: Don't be modest, that's my province!

Heaven help we should have two modest men posting here! There won't be room
enough on the floor with all that lying about...

Is that like blood everywhere?

huh?

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"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Boobsie,

The universe (including time itself) can be shown to have had a
beginning.

Nope. Got a video of it?


RB

1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or
entropy is increasing to a maximum.


If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of
usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed
forever, otherwise it would already have exhausted all usable energy —
the ‘heat death' of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms
would have decayed, every part of the universe would be the same
temperature, and no further work would be possible. So the obvious
corollary is that the universe began a finite time ago with a lot of
usable energy, and is now running down.

Simple Logic Boobsie, But your not much for logic are you?

Joe

The amount of energy available for work is running out, or
entropy is increasing to a maximum.

To a maximum of WHAT, Josie? You simply can't comprehend that you have no
answer. No one does...least of all religious folk.
Go pray to a Volcano. At least it's real.

RB

1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.

That's not a law, dopey. Since the universe has no known limits and white &
black holes are feed points, there's every reason to suspect that energy is NOT
constant.
You're operating on 1980 Omni magazine articles for your lame guesses.
Give it up, Josie.

RB

(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
It is unreasonable to believe something could begin to exist without a
cause.

No, not unreasonable...just very difficult.

RB

Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.

And do not be unreasonable.

Joe

"Donal" wrote

What other options are there? WE either evolved, or we were created!

Creation and evolution are not mutually exclusive. We (Adam and Lillith) may
well have been created by the process we call evolution. According to the
Bible Eve was cloned.

Tell me of anything that begin to exist without a cause boobsie.

And do not be unreasonable.


Josie, you simply don't get it. Perhaps, like many folks, your mind refuses
what it can't comprehend.
You seek "cause" for existence. You seek action and reaction. And you have,
along with many other ignorant people, created a magical force behind it all,
because you don't have the true answer.
That's fine, if somewhat limiting. We each inhabit our own small worlds, but I
see that yours is unusually small indeed.

RB

And do not be unreasonable.

Because the idea of a god IS reasonable? LOL!!!
A belief that the universe was sneezed out by a giant marine toad is actually
more reasonable. I've seen a marine toad.

See for yourself, Josie...proof at last!

http://hoglezoo.org/animal.photos/gi...rine.toad1.jpg

RB