"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Yes.



Oh boy. Did you get your boat in the water and sailing?

Are you the only person who doesn't know?




Regards


Donal
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(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
There arises in all of us, of any culture, universal feelings of right
and wrong.

One of my very closest friends is a detective here in NY. If you think people
have an inate understanding of morality and ethics, you are badly mistaken.

Wrong blubberboy, They know the diffrence from right and wrong, no one
had to teach them that, they just chose to ignoe it.

We don't need religion to teach right from wrong, anymore than we need to bring
back Greek mythology.

I think "inate" means it does not have to be taught by anyone.

I was raised by a scientific family who taught me the rules of nature 1st and
morality second.

Me two. What does that have to do with faith, spirt and an inate
understanding of what is right and wrong?

Joe

RB

"Dave" wrote in message
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On 20 May 2004 11:16:31 GMT, (Bobsprit) said:

Nope. I'm agnostic. That means I'm open to anything.

An agnostic is someone who doesn't believe in God, but is afraid he might be
wrong.


No. An agnostic is someone who doesn't want to consider a question that can't
be answered.

While some religions require that followers "have faith" in things that can
never be proven, others merely request that you act as though there is a
divinity watching over you. Thus a religion can be based on "creed" or "deed."
If you believe that "deeds" are important, you don't have to believe God exists
to be religious, you only have to act as though God exists.

"Wally" wrote in message
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I'm not sure the question can be answered. By "answered", I mean in terms
that are generally acceptable - self-evidently true or capable of being
observed or experienced.

I believe that one of my three options is currently "in vogue" with the
scienticic community. Furthermore, scientists will produce evidence, backed
up by observation, to prove that their theory is correct. So I think that
the question *can* be answered in terms that are generally acceptable.


Regards


Donal
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Wrong blubberboy, They know the diffrence from right and wrong, no one
had to teach them that, they just chose to ignoe it.

Note how you call me nasty names, yet profess a higher understanding and
morality? I, on the other hand, can debate this without stooping to name
calling.
I think it's pretty clear how much value religion has had in your life.

RB

How's that ? Were have I ever mentioned a Man in the sky?

Your confusing spirt and faith, with religion.


Snore. Whenever someone's faith is brought into serious question, they pretend
it in something that defies personifcation or even comprehention. No one (at
this time) can prove you spirits are false, just realize and accept that it's
possible to live well without them. Try to be better than Hitler and the
terrorists if you must bow before false gods.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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3) It was created in a single event which resulted in equal amounts of
"matter" and "anti-matter".


Which option do you believe in?

Bwahaahaha! Pretty funny, Donal. I'm smart enough to not simply blindly
except
what some clown tells me. "God" was taught to you, just as it was taught
to me.

Read my post again!! I gave three options. Only one of them depended on
"God". I'm prepared to discuss the issue on a purely scientific basis.


The difference is, I had the strength of character to question it.

But - you didn't question it, did you? You just blew a big rasberry at the
whole question - and then you tried to pretend that your superior intellect
gave you a better understanding. However, as you are unable to share your
views with us, then we must assume that you don't really have any views at
all.

Prove me wrong! You cannot tell us about your views - because you don't
have any!


Regards


Donal
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(Bobsprit) wrote in message ...
Our conscience can best be explained by a loving
Creator who cares about the decisions and harmony of humanity.

WE created religion and the belief in god, not the other way around.

RB

Religion is diffrent than spirt.

Religion is like a club you join. Full of fees, and people that can
use and abuse you. It is like any thing that has elements of good and
bad.

Spirt is something you can feel, sometimes if your lucky see. Its an
energy of sorts, an understanding that you are not the center of all,
its something better than life here on earth, and its to the core of
all lifes desires. I've seen and felt it blobster. I did not seek it,
it was brought to me. I feel very lucky. Best way I can explain it to
you is a feeling of pure light, love, a perfect eternal energy, a
whole different universe with no needs or desirs at all. It is what is
real. It peels off everything you ever desired and gives you
everything. I wish I could bottle it and sell it.

I know to a material person like you this is a hard to understand and
believe concept. I use to feel the same way you feel 100%. Now I know
better.

Quick question: Do you have feelings of love for your wife?

If so... using science tell me about love?

Joe

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Virtually
everybody has faith - it's a question of what one has faith in.

I have no faith in anything,

C'mon, Bob! You don't really believe that, do you?



Wally. It's a dangerous term. But then you could
say I have faith in my lack of faith.
You'll note that I'm attacking Donal's belief system, but not Donal.

I know that you are a really nice guy. I truly respect you for that!!

He, on the
other hand, attacks me.

If I had realised that you suffered from a "victim" mentality, then I would
have ignored you completely.

Unfortunately, if I ignored you, then you really would feel like a victim,
wouldn't you?






As I pointed out, reigious folk tend to seek out a
dangerous and hurtful position.



That comment is hurtful! Are you religious?



Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote in message
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So angry you
think the actions of murdering 1000's of citizens trying to make a
living was justified.


Like GWB????




Regards


Donal
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