John Cairns wrote:

Pretty obvious by now, "Jim Cate" is just a troll, pretty successful one at
that. If he isn't and he ends up doing what he claims he's going to do, you
probably won't be hearing much from him down the road. If he is, which I
strongly suspect, he's got everyone here, almost everyone, firmly hooked.
Now I will admit he hooked me but unless it's blatantly obvious(politics or
something of that nature) I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
It is blatantly obvious that "Jim" is just trolling along, he admitted as
much very recently when he posted..................

As mentioned in previous notes, I was hoping to get some substantive
information about the Mac 26M and several other boats before making a
decision last month. - The only thing I got was a series of Mac
Bashings posted by contributors who didn't know what the hell they were
talking about. None of them had sailed the 26M, and most of them didn't
even know that the 26M was different from the 26x.

I'm incredulous that you would characterize ME as being a troll. I was
making a sincere effort to collect information about several boats,
including the Mac, but also including several others. If my wife hadn't
been so negative about the ratty interior of the Cal 34, I was ready to
put a deposit on it and get a survey.



"Actually, I knew what I was getting into when
I decided to defend the Macs on this ng, since this group has been
bashing them for a number of years."

Which would make his initial posts, claiming he wanted "opinions" about the
mac, bald-faced lies. Which would greatly increase the probability that
everything he has posted is untrue. Wouldn't surprise me if this was the
Boob, you know how much he loved to troll.
John Cairns


In addition to the obviously biased, obviously uninformed "opinions"
that I anticipated from past experiences on this ng, I had hoped that I
would also get some substantive, factual information from at least a few
knowledgeable contributors who had actually sailed the 26M, or who at
least knew what what they were. Instead, I got a long serious of
opinionated garbage from ng members who wasted most of a week trying to
convince me that the "old" boat was the same thing as the "new" boat. In
other words, despite the fact that they had no idea what the 26M was,
they still tried to put me down for giving them some specs regarding the
boat. (I was only repeating Rogers advertising, they said, and the boat
probably didn't really have a different hull, different keel, different
sails, different ballast system, etc., etc. - I was just sucked in by
MacGregor's advertising.)

I asked for information, I got none, I then researched the matter and,
with consideration of my wife's preferences of my wife, made the
decision to get the Mac 26M. - This isn't trolling, under any rational
definition.

Jim

Total bs.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Total bs.

You can call it bs if you want to. But you are totally out of it,
Johnny. I came on this board trying to get some substantive information
about the new Mac 26M from anyone who had sailed one, or anyone who had
discussed it with others who had sailed it. In response to my
inquiries, I got NOTHING of any substance. I ended up spending days on
this newsgroup trying to explain to you and your buddies that the Mac
26M did, after all, have a new hull and keel design that was, in fact,
substantively changed from the older models. All I got for my troubles
was more crap from ng participants who were getting more and more
incensed as it became more and more obvious that they really didn't know
what they were talking about, and further, that I wasn't going to let
them get away with it, and wouldn't be intimidated.

As previously discussed, I spent some time looking at various
displacement boats in the 30 - 36 ft range, and discussed them on this
ng and on cruising. At one time, I was ready to put in a deposit on the
Cal 34. After considering the many positive and negative factors
involved, and the prospects for using the boat in the future, mad the
costs entailed, I again considered the Mac 26M. Finally, after
reviewing several options and available choices, I went over each boat
with my wife. - She was adamantly opposed to getting the Cal 34 because
of some problems with its interior, and she preferred the new Mac 26M.
At that point, on March 25, I visited the Mac dealer in the area,
discussed prices and options, and placed an order. As previously noted,
I am not defending the Mac as the world's greatest sailboat, and I never
claimed it was suitable for blue water crossings. - I did say that it
had been given a bum rap on this newsgroup, and that I was going to
provide a little fresh air and balance to the discussion. (Actually, had
my wife not been so turned off, I probably would have gone ahead and bid
on the Cal, subject to the results of a survey.)

Im totally amazed that you and some of your buddies think that this is a
trolling event, that I didn't really consider boats other than the Mac,
and that I'm lying about placing an order late last month, etc. I think
that the real problem you are having is simply that I didn't turn tail
and run when you and your buddies started your flame war and didn't
obviously didn't accomplish the results you expected. - Something like
40 asa participants against one "new-guy," with some occasinal
assistance. (It's also ironic that I have posted notes to the ng since
1997, and I may actually be one of the "oldies" relative to most of
those now posting.

In any event, it's the excitement and pleasure of sailing that counts.
At least that's what I thought a few months ago.

Jim

MacBoy,

It is total bs and so are you. You're a proven liar. You got
tons of substantive advice, which you rightly ignored, since
you'd already bought the piece of crap boat. You can twist
it all you want, but those are the facts. You had an opportunity
to prove me wrong, but was unable.

The FACT is that the Mac you bought is a piece of crap, and
the FACT is that you're now trying to justify it. Keep at it if
it makes you feel better, but that won't improve the quality
of boat. You got ripped off and can't admit it to yourself or
anyone else.

I know from a very, very reliable source that the Mac is an
incredible rip-off. But, you don't give a sh*t, so fine. Take
her out on the ocean, but be sure to bring an EPIRB. You're
going to need it.

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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Total bs.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

It is total bs and so are you. You're a proven liar. You got
tons of substantive advice, which you rightly ignored, since
you'd already bought the piece of crap boat.

This is a lie. I posted several notes on the ng in February, at which
time I was looking at several boats but hadn't made any decisions. In
fact, I was looking at displacement boats in the 30-35 ft range in
particular, and I was planning to make a deposit on the Cal 34, before
getting the overwhelmingly negative reaction from my wife. As previously
noted, I finally settled on the Mac 26M, for a number of reasons, and my
order was placed March 25.

There have been a number of absurd, vacuous, and probably even libelous
notes posted on this ng for a number of years bashing the Macs. My
intention is to see that the discussions become at least somewhat more
balanced, and that the bashers begin to realize that Mac Bashing just
isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Jim



You can twist
it all you want, but those are the facts. You had an opportunity
to prove me wrong, but was unable.

The FACT is that the Mac you bought is a piece of crap, and
the FACT is that you're now trying to justify it. Keep at it if
it makes you feel better, but that won't improve the quality
of boat. You got ripped off and can't admit it to yourself or
anyone else.

I know from a very, very reliable source that the Mac is an
incredible rip-off. But, you don't give a sh*t, so fine. Take
her out on the ocean, but be sure to bring an EPIRB. You're
going to need it.

Keep twisting on the end of the line MacBoy. You're obviously
a liar and a fraud. Who are you shilling for? Certainly not a Mac
dealer. Even they know it's a garbage boat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

MacBoy,

It is total bs and so are you. You're a proven liar. You got
tons of substantive advice, which you rightly ignored, since
you'd already bought the piece of crap boat.

This is a lie. I posted several notes on the ng in February, at which
time I was looking at several boats but hadn't made any decisions. In
fact, I was looking at displacement boats in the 30-35 ft range in
particular, and I was planning to make a deposit on the Cal 34, before
getting the overwhelmingly negative reaction from my wife. As previously
noted, I finally settled on the Mac 26M, for a number of reasons, and my
order was placed March 25.

There have been a number of absurd, vacuous, and probably even libelous
notes posted on this ng for a number of years bashing the Macs. My
intention is to see that the discussions become at least somewhat more
balanced, and that the bashers begin to realize that Mac Bashing just
isn't as much fun as it used to be.

Jim



You can twist
it all you want, but those are the facts. You had an opportunity
to prove me wrong, but was unable.

The FACT is that the Mac you bought is a piece of crap, and
the FACT is that you're now trying to justify it. Keep at it if
it makes you feel better, but that won't improve the quality
of boat. You got ripped off and can't admit it to yourself or
anyone else.

I know from a very, very reliable source that the Mac is an
incredible rip-off. But, you don't give a sh*t, so fine. Take
her out on the ocean, but be sure to bring an EPIRB. You're
going to need it.

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Keep twisting on the end of the line MacBoy. You're obviously
a liar and a fraud.

Actually, what I have posted regarding considering several boats and
then placing an order for the Mac 26m is true.


Who are you shilling for? Certainly not a Mac
dealer. Even they know it's a garbage boat.

Have a nice weekend John. - Incidentally, have you considered my
suggestion that you might benefit from some professional help?

Jim

"Jim Cate" wrote

and I was planning to make a deposit on the Cal 34, before
getting the overwhelmingly negative reaction from my wife.


hear that noise jimmy? It's the crack of a whip. Get used to it.



As previously
noted, I finally settled on the Mac 26M, for a number of reasons, and my
order was placed March 25.

you're gonna end up blaming your wife for the Mac and probably kill her.
Find somebody with a real boat and dump the body 20 miles offshore.

Scotty

Jim, you are an F'ing schmuck. You have wasted hours of your time in
lengthy responses to the NG goads. Nobody gives a ****. They just want
to see you dance. And ,boy, what a show!
Jeff Morris fires a shot and we get the Jim Cate Two Step.
Jon Ganz lobs one in and we get the Jim Cate Fandango
Scott Vernon drops a bomb and we get Jim Cate doing an impression of
John Belushi doing an impression of Joe Cocker.

My boats in the water now, and I'm going sailing. C'Ya



On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:41:15 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:



Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Total bs.

You can call it bs if you want to. But you are totally out of it,
Johnny. I came on this board trying to get some substantive information
about the new Mac 26M from anyone who had sailed one, or anyone who had
discussed it with others who had sailed it. In response to my
inquiries, I got NOTHING of any substance. I ended up spending days on
this newsgroup trying to explain to you and your buddies that the Mac
26M did, after all, have a new hull and keel design that was, in fact,
substantively changed from the older models. All I got for my troubles
was more crap from ng participants who were getting more and more
incensed as it became more and more obvious that they really didn't know
what they were talking about, and further, that I wasn't going to let
them get away with it, and wouldn't be intimidated.

As previously discussed, I spent some time looking at various
displacement boats in the 30 - 36 ft range, and discussed them on this
ng and on cruising. At one time, I was ready to put in a deposit on the
Cal 34. After considering the many positive and negative factors
involved, and the prospects for using the boat in the future, mad the
costs entailed, I again considered the Mac 26M. Finally, after
reviewing several options and available choices, I went over each boat
with my wife. - She was adamantly opposed to getting the Cal 34 because
of some problems with its interior, and she preferred the new Mac 26M.
At that point, on March 25, I visited the Mac dealer in the area,
discussed prices and options, and placed an order. As previously noted,
I am not defending the Mac as the world's greatest sailboat, and I never
claimed it was suitable for blue water crossings. - I did say that it
had been given a bum rap on this newsgroup, and that I was going to
provide a little fresh air and balance to the discussion. (Actually, had
my wife not been so turned off, I probably would have gone ahead and bid
on the Cal, subject to the results of a survey.)

Im totally amazed that you and some of your buddies think that this is a
trolling event, that I didn't really consider boats other than the Mac,
and that I'm lying about placing an order late last month, etc. I think
that the real problem you are having is simply that I didn't turn tail
and run when you and your buddies started your flame war and didn't
obviously didn't accomplish the results you expected. - Something like
40 asa participants against one "new-guy," with some occasinal
assistance. (It's also ironic that I have posted notes to the ng since
1997, and I may actually be one of the "oldies" relative to most of
those now posting.

In any event, it's the excitement and pleasure of sailing that counts.
At least that's what I thought a few months ago.

Jim