melges 24. mumm 30. j-22. j-29. j-30. Cape Dory Typhoon. venture 22.
Flicka.

Anything. Buy a boat!

which popular boats have good PHRF
ratings?

which popular boats have good PHRF
ratings?

MacGregor 65. An **incredible** PHRF, AND about the same price used as a Mac
26 new.

Can you give me some hints as to which popular boats have good PHRF
ratings?

It really depends on what you think is "good." When I see a thirty to 33 foot
boat with a rating below 180 or so, I can expect reasonable sailing ability on
the LIS. As for waterlines, my C&C and Pearson have nearly the same WL, but the
C&C is quite a bit faster.

RB

or maybe he's happy with the boat he has and isn't worried about impressing
people with names

Doubtful.


RB

Jeff, you have a fine boat, but a Swan or Shannon it aint. Maybe Loco thinks
his Express is on that level or maybe he's never been aboard a 1st class yacht,
which is more probable. .

The Express isn't a Swan but it's a step up from a C&C.


Too bad no one else feels the way you do...and the market reflects it.

RB

Don't pay no never mind to what Squathead Vermin writes. The fool
drives a Sidelmann.

JAX

"Jim Cate" wrote in message ...
I'm worried about what others will think? So I continue to defend the
MacGregor boats and respond to the cynics on ASA who have never sailed
the boat, but nevertheless, know all about it?

Interesting. For my information, just what would someone who DIDN'T
care what others think post on the ASA ng?

Jim



Scott Vernon wrote:

That's the first I've seen the 'M' model. Looks like they took a big step
backwards re the cabin, which looks exactly like the old (pre 'X') 26'. The
hull still has that ugly step in it, and the gross power-boat type
'windows'.
I've seen a few Xs sailing and talked to a few owners who really love them.
They're not bad boats for their purpose (shallow draft/power/sailboat) if
you can get past the look. Not for ocean sailing, though.
If you really want to talk to owners, Sailnet has a Mac mailing list, and
one just for X owners.

It sounds like you're worried what others will think. In that case, stay
away from the Mac.

S.Vernon

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


DSK wrote:


SAIL LOCO wrote:



Sounds like a 25 foot power boat with a small cabin might be the best

choice

for your intended use. After the kids grow up and you get tired of

fishing you

can sell the power boat without loosing your ass like you would on the

Mac and

you can buy a real sailboat. This was not a flame.


Sure it is... just one with a healthy dose of reality. The Mac26X (or

"M" if that's

what they are calling it now) PowR-SailR is a choice for people who

can't make up

their minds and don't know much about either motorboats or sailing.

First of all,

the advertising is very misleading. They will not go 24 mph under power,

unless you

either put a bigger motor than it's rated for (and crack the transom

open in 1

season) or strip the boat of all extraneous weight like passengers,

cooler, mast,

etc etc. You're more likely to see 15 ~ 18 mph... which is still a lot

faster than

most sailboats can go in most conditions. But much slower than a real

motorboat,

and the PowR-SailR sails poorly at best... not enjoyable sport IMHO.

If the issue is distance to cover, then either get a boat to keep at a

marina

closer to good sailing grounds and drive 65mph to there, thus saving

large amounts

of time... or get a trailerable boat that can be trailered (again at

65mph)... with

the benefit that you can take it other places as well.

If you're not sure if you like sailing enough to go to all that trouble,

you

probably won't. Get a motorboat (and this isn't intended as an insult,

because I

have a motorboat myself... along with three sailboats).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The new boat is probably only slightly less of a pig under sail than the old
boat, if you want to verify this, I'm sure you'll find at least one Mac
broker that has an M in stock and will be happy to take you out for a test
sail. I have one of the NE phrf lists, it rates this boat(26X) at 216 which
is probably charitable. You do the math. If it is indeed 20 to 30% faster
than the old model, what would it's rating be?
John Cairns

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
The "M" model has a new deep V- hull, an adjustable dagger board keel,
a rotatable mast, additional layers of fiberglass in the hull, SS chain
plates, partial fixed lead ballast, and a number of other changes. -
Whether these changes bring the boat up to acceptable off-shore sailing
standards or not, they ARE substantive differences relative to the
previous model. From discussing the boat with owners and previous
owners, it seems that it's speed and handling under both sail and motor
are significantly improved relative to the previous model. It is
apparently 20-30% faster under similar sails than the X model,

It's not my fault if you're an idiot.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 02 Mar 2004 17:52:24 GMT, (Bobsprit) said:

Dave, 5 years ago it was easy to get a C&C 32 for under 30K. They were
often
around for 25-28K. Check the average price now. Two sold on City Island
for mid
30's last season.

I'm not shocked to hear it. Jonathan just seems to have a problem
understanding your point, which I take it has nothing whatever to do with
what the boats cost when new.


Dave
S/V Good Fortune
CS27

Speak for yourself.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It was originally intended to be a high quality, affordable boat.
It still is after 40 years.

No it wasn't.
No one in this newsgroup owns a high quality boat.

RB

I think a C&C in good condition is a quality boat. Many of the Cals are
quality
boats. I've seen some Swans that were crap boats. Horass' hunter is a crap
boat,
mostly because of him.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I resent that! My boat was chosen as "one of the world's best sailboats"
by no
less an authority
than Ferenc Mate!


Jeff, you have a fine boat, but a Swan or Shannon it aint. Maybe Loco
thinks
his Express is on that level or maybe he's never been aboard a 1st class
yacht,
which is more probable.

RB