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Jonathan Ganz March 5th 04 06:37 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
I wish I could afford an Alerion 26.

Go to my website, click on the ads, maybe I'll be able to someday.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
There's a long list of beautiful 26 footers.

Here's my favorite:
http://www.eastlandyachts.com/nonsuch.html#Anchor-26

But also:
http://www.proper-yachts.com/alerion26.htm

You can also get a lot of boat in smaller packages, like:
http://www.marshallcat.com/default.htm

or allow a few extra feet of pinched stern:
http://www.marinebrokerage.com/cgi-b...en.compassrose

If you think the Mac 26M is more beautiful than these, you run to the

dealer and
buy one now Its a match made in heaven!

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
I don't think you can call any 26-foot boat beautiful,







Jonathan Ganz March 5th 04 06:39 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
Scott, don't worry about it... bob could float from Hawaii no problem.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Please repost where I wrote that.


"Bobsprit" wrote

Please explain to
everyone why you find the 26M and X so appealing.





Jonathan Ganz March 5th 04 06:40 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
Way to go Scott. You did this faster than anyone could imagine.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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You're reverting back to the old Bobspit. Lies. All lies.


"Bobsprit" wrote


Yup. lying again.

RB





Bobsprit March 5th 04 06:41 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
I wish I could afford an Alerion 26.


One of the best looking boats around. I wonder what happened to the 36 or 37
foot yawl they were building? It was also beautiful.

RB

Jonathan Ganz March 5th 04 06:42 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
They were probably better than the current brew, but I don't have
any direct experience with any of them.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Careful Jon, the older Macs (pre X ) were pretty good little boats.

SV

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
Well, the Mac line of boats are bottom of the barrel. Not sure what
else "we" can tell you. If you like/want the compromise, go for it.
At this point, I'm not sure what you're looking for here.

"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...
Well, this discussion string is now up to around 250 responses, not
including my own. It's interesting that no one has commented on my
initial "both and" rather than "either or" plan. As you may recall, I
stated that:

A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would
still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier

boats
kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a
conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the

Mac.
(I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for

hours
on
a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is
fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many

used
30
- 32-foot boats.

In other words, my plan was to consider getting a 26M Mac for: (1)

it's
obvious advantages in shallow bay waters and close-in coastal cruising
(such as, for fishing, and for getting to fishing or sailing areas
quickly and for returning quickly, for anchoring in areas where small
childred (grandkids) could swim, for beaching on local islands, etc.),
AND ALSO (2) to continue to charter larger boats for more extended
cruising without the younger (3 to 5 year old) set.

In any event, it's obvious that my note and my refusal to "cave" are
either generating increasing frustration or providing some perverse

form
of pleasure to participants in this discussion string.
(No one, after all, is required to participate.)

Again, I'm not asking for agreement or "approval" or even

acquiescence.
I would like to seem some semblance of logic, rationality and
intellectual honesty, however. - Like, for starters, talking about the
same boat I'm talking about.

Jim



Jim Cate wrote:


I'm considering the new MacGregor 26M for use in the

Galveston-Houston
area and would like to get comments from anyone who has seen or

sailed
on the boat. Or, anyone else.

For sailing and motoring in this area, the MacGregor seems to have

some
advantages. - I'm aware of the largely negative comments on this ng
regarding the MacGregor line. However, for the intended use, e.g.,
sailing and motoring with small kids (grandchildren), fishing, and

doing
some limited coastal cruising, the Mac 26M has the advantage that it
will motor to a desired destination at around 24 mph and can

therefore
get to a desired sail or fishing area, and return, much more quickly
than a fixed keel boat. This tends to minimize the "are we home

yet"
issue with small kids and non-sail-type guests. Also, in view of the
hundreds of square miles of shallow bay waters in our area, the

boat's
ability to anchor in 15 inches of water, or to beach at one of the
islands, would be an obvious advantage. (The 40-foot Valiant,

although
a great boat under sail offshore, was limited to around 8-10 knots

under
motor or sail. So, it took us five hours to get from the Kemah

marina
to
the gulf, and we had to be careful to keep a sharp watch on the

depth
finder.)

OK, the comparison is admittedly somewhat ludicrous. For the uses
anticipated, however, the Mac may be a practical and fun choice.

Also,
the new "M" model seems to include some substantive improvements. -

It
now has both lead and the removable water ballast, has a fin keel

(which
I'm assuming may help in pointing), and a structural keel housing
extending vertically from the deck to the ballast area. The boat
reportedly includes additional fiberglass layers and other

structural
and ergonomic improvements derived from their experience over the

years.
As to it's sailing abilities, there is a video on the Mac web site
comparing the 26M and the 26X under sail, and the new model is

clearly
much faster. (Assuming they didn't stage the race or doctor the

video.)
With a large genoa, it looks like it might be a fast sailing boat;

it
can reportedly plane under sail.

A further consideration is that, if I bought the MacGregor, I would
still have the opportunity to charter a wide variety of heavier

boats
kept under charter in our area. Conversely, I couldn't purchase a
conventional fixed-keel boat and also charter a boat similar to the

Mac.
(I'm not into motor boats, or staying out in the Texas sun for hours

on
a powered fishing boat.) A negative factor is that the new Mac is
fairly expensive when fully equiped, comparable in price to many

used
30
- 32-foot boats.

Comments from anyone regarding the sailing and motoring

characteristics
of the new 26M would be appreciated.

Jim











Jonathan Ganz March 5th 04 08:29 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
The 38 is on their website. On second thought, I'd rather have that one.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I wish I could afford an Alerion 26.


One of the best looking boats around. I wonder what happened to the 36 or

37
foot yawl they were building? It was also beautiful.

RB





DSK March 5th 04 08:55 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
Jim Cate wrote:
The website is wrong, and you ought to admit it. If, again, you have any
interest in posting truthful, rational comments.


You have a number of misquotes in your post.

FWIW my opinion is that the website is no more truthful than any other
advertising, and possibly is a bit less.

DSK


DSK March 5th 04 08:57 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
Jim Cate wrote:
How many of your friends had sailed the 26M?


The two that currently own them.

FWIW we have seen both of them out sailing, all but once in mild
conditions. If you want to discuss the boat with one of them I'll see if
I can get an email address from one or the other this weekend.

DSK


DSK March 5th 04 09:02 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
wrote:

First "backpeddle" and now "lieing" - And you think I need a spell
checker?


Whoa hoss, he said that BOBSPRIT was lying, not you BittyBill. Getting
your sock puppets on the wrong hand again?

DSK


Bobsprit March 5th 04 10:03 PM

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 
The 38 is on their website. On second thought, I'd rather have that one.

There was one at the AC boat show a few years back.
Simply stunning and getting very little attention against the Catalina and
Hunters. The one I was on had a tiller.

RB


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