MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
om...
Don't pay no never mind to what ....

Huh?

Regards


Donal
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MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

JAXAshby wrote:
which popular boats have good PHRF
ratings?


MacGregor 65. An **incredible** PHRF, AND about the same price used as a Mac
26 new.



Great. a Mac 65 for around $28K. Whom do I make my check out to?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

JAXAshby wrote:

jim, buy the damn thing. nobody but nobody will laugh at you. why should
they?


I would, but I'm not sure I can afford one. Older Cal 34's, O'Days,
C&C's, etc. are cheaper than the new 26Ms.

Jim



I'm worried about what others will think? So I continue to defend the

MacGregor boats and respond to the cynics on ASA who have never sailed
the boat, but nevertheless, know all about it?

Interesting. F

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Great. a Mac 65 for around $28K. Whom do I make my check out to?

You may want to contact some previous owners to see what they spent to make the
boat competitive.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Scott Vernon wrote:

Jim, to be truthful, I haven't sailed the boat, and I haven't talked to
anyone who has, but I've seen them and they are butt ugly , high freeboard,
powerboat boat looking, plastic bathtubs.

Scotty


If I understand your note, at least you are honest enough to admit that
you don't know how the sail or how they handle under power. From your
particular bias regarding their looks, you don't like them.

At least you aren't trying to analyze their handling and characteristics
under sail and/or power before you have sailed or powered them.

Jim


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


My point is not that I know or have evidence to the effect that the M
model is a good sailing and/or motoring vessel. Not at all. It's that,
if we are going to give any consideration whatsoever to the most
fundamental principles of logic, reasoning, clear thinking, etc., then
those who criticize the new boat should preface their remarks by saying
"Jim, to be truthful, I haven't sailed the boat, and I haven't talked to
anyone who has, so actually you should understand that I really don't
know what the Hell I'm talking about."

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

John Cairns wrote:

The new boat is probably only slightly less of a pig under sail than the old
boat, if you want to verify this, I'm sure you'll find at least one Mac
broker that has an M in stock and will be happy to take you out for a test
sail. I have one of the NE phrf lists, it rates this boat(26X) at 216 which
is probably charitable. You do the math. If it is indeed 20 to 30% faster
than the old model, what would it's rating be?
John Cairns


Interesting. When I look at their video of the 26M racing the 26X with
identical sails, the 26M is passing the X model as if the X model is
standing still. Speaking with owners of the M model, they say that it is
significantly faster, making around 6.5 on a reach. Maybe it's
something like the comparisons of the Cal, Catalina, and O'Day 34's I
have also been looking at. It seems like there are lots of factors other
than full speed, etc., that affect the speed of the boats.

Jim



"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...

The "M" model has a new deep V- hull, an adjustable dagger board keel,
a rotatable mast, additional layers of fiberglass in the hull, SS chain
plates, partial fixed lead ballast, and a number of other changes. -
Whether these changes bring the boat up to acceptable off-shore sailing
standards or not, they ARE substantive differences relative to the
previous model. From discussing the boat with owners and previous
owners, it seems that it's speed and handling under both sail and motor
are significantly improved relative to the previous model. It is
apparently 20-30% faster under similar sails than the X model,

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

There's been one sitting in a slip here in Boston for at least 10 years without
moving. You could probably get that one real, real cheap.


"Jim Cate" wrote in message
...


JAXAshby wrote:
which popular boats have good PHRF
ratings?


MacGregor 65. An **incredible** PHRF, AND about the same price used as a
Mac
26 new.



Great. a Mac 65 for around $28K. Whom do I make my check out to?

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

John Cairns wrote:

The new boat is probably only slightly less of a pig under sail than the old
boat, if you want to verify this, I'm sure you'll find at least one Mac
broker that has an M in stock and will be happy to take you out for a test
sail. I have one of the NE phrf lists, it rates this boat(26X) at 216 which
is probably charitable. You do the math. If it is indeed 20 to 30% faster
than the old model, what would it's rating be?
John Cairns



John,

I suspect that you don't have much interest in the facts, but the 26X IS
the "old" model. The "new" model is the 26M. In other words, your stats
are either six years out of date or bass-ass-backwards.

Jim

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

Why would you care if its "competitive"? Would you really race it? Would Jim?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
Great. a Mac 65 for around $28K. Whom do I make my check out to?

You may want to contact some previous owners to see what they spent to make
the
boat competitive.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"

MacGregor 26M - Valiant 40
 

DSK wrote:

Jim Cate wrote:


And how many times have you sailed on the 26M, DK? - Was it five times,
ten times, fifteen? I seem to have forgotten.


Gosh, you're so right... it's gotta be better than the old one... it's NEW & IMPROVED!!

BTW it does not not have a new hull design. Exactly the same, only painted darker colors
which does not improve sailng characteristics as far as anybody has been able to
determine.

It has "Exactly the same hull, except for the dark paint"??? DK, you are
either confused or hung over. The M model is definitely a "new hull
design." The M model includes a deep, 15-degree V-hull, as compared with
the X model's much flatter, 8-degree hull. Additionally, the boat has a
vertically retractable, relatively dagger board instead of the pivotable
fin keel of the older boat, which nested in an a rearwardly extending
groove in the hull. Whether or not these changes make the boat "better"
or "improved, there is no question that the hull is, in fact,
substantially different. In the interests of logic, intellectual
honesty, and plain old truthfullness, you shouln't post false assertions
concerning matters about which you really don't know what you are
talking about.


And the ones I have seen certainly don't have rotating masts
either.... anyway
that would be a waste of time on a boat with a PHRF rating of 216.


Again, the M model does has a rotating mast. If the one you are
describing doesn't, it's further evidence that you really don't know
which model it is. Again, in the interest of plain old logic and
intellectual honesty, you ought to do your homework and get your facts
straight.

The two Mac26Ms at our marina I have seen out sailing a dozen times or so. They are not
even a match for the San Juan 21, of which there is a strong local class, which rates
252. The SJ21 literally sails rings around the M26M. Figure it out.

The point, Jim, is to enjoy your time on the water. If you happen to not care about
sailing other than to have some sails up and hear the wake gurgling, then go for it. If
you enjoy really *sailing* then you'll be disappointed. Doesn't matter to me one way or
the other.


I may get one of the 26M's. However, I'm not sure I can afford one, and
my budget may dictate that I have to settle for a 34-foot O'Day, Cal, or
C&C.

Jim
Fresh Breezes- Doug King