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Martin Baxter January 15th 04 12:00 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 
Donal wrote:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Donal" wrote in message



Doug might be correct, it is possible that most of it gets exported.
Another whiskey that seems to be only available abroad is Tullamore Dew.


I've got a bottle of that in the booze cupboard, sells for the same price
as our domestic rye whiskeys, in other words, an arm and a leg after the Government
gets its' cut.

Cheers
Marty

Donal January 15th 04 03:56 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 

"John.E" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Mapped out a sailing program and got the local council to run it as a
retraining project to allow me and several others to knock most of them

off
in a 6 month time slot. It bailed out our local sailing school for a while
until they rolled over and the project was bailed by the Docklands Trust.
Still got the silly little paper tags in the back of the logbook too, can
validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12
months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that

(theory
already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot
with a sextant and sight reduction tables.


I'm confused. Are you saying that you haven't got a YMO?


Still note you have not answered the call, good job diverting attention

for
the question raised though.
You a faker or no Dolan?
I have my knife and fork ready if I need it, but I still ain't convinced.


Keep them clean. You'll be able to use them in about a week!


BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q?
Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete
sense, or none.



Regards

Donal
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Joe January 15th 04 05:53 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 
"John.E" wrote in message m...



Do really have a YM?


Do ya Donal? Take a picture and post it O Yachtmaster!

Which is it?


Yeah Which is it Lanod?

What endorsments do you carry?


No radar! Thats for sure.

What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would imagine
we will be within 1000 of each other.


What the Number Donal? Post a picture like Neil did. Put up or shut
up!


Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if needed
but IMO you are a faker!

JohnE


He's all talk with no knowledge John. Anyone that claims they had to
navigate with the windows blackened out and no imput has to be a
faker!

Joe
MSV RedCloud

John.E January 15th 04 06:43 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"John.E" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Mapped out a sailing program and got the local council to run it as a
retraining project to allow me and several others to knock most of them

off
in a 6 month time slot. It bailed out our local sailing school for a

while
until they rolled over and the project was bailed by the Docklands

Trust.
Still got the silly little paper tags in the back of the logbook too,

can
validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12
months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that

(theory
already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so hot
with a sextant and sight reduction tables.


I'm confused. Are you saying that you haven't got a YMO?


Which bit of "Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that"
confused you?



Still note you have not answered the call, good job diverting attention

for
the question raised though.
You a faker or no Dolan?
I have my knife and fork ready if I need it, but I still ain't

convinced.

Keep them clean. You'll be able to use them in about a week!


Can't be bothered. From your reluctance to answer it seems even more likey
you just full of it.


BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q?
Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete
sense, or none.


Makes no sense!



Regards

Donal
--


Come on, put up or shut up. Your evasion is getting tedious and merely
further reinforces the impression that you a faker, or to use your own
parlance, a LIAR!

JohnE



John.E January 15th 04 06:48 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"John.E" wrote in message

m...



Do really have a YM?


Do ya Donal? Take a picture and post it O Yachtmaster!

Which is it?


Yeah Which is it Lanod?

What endorsments do you carry?


No radar! Thats for sure.

What is your issue number? At the rate they were/are awarded I would

imagine
we will be within 1000 of each other.


What the Number Donal? Post a picture like Neil did. Put up or shut
up!


Don't need a picky Joe (but it would be nice). If the the number is around
1000 before mine he is probably cosher.



Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if

needed
but IMO you are a faker!

JohnE


He's all talk with no knowledge John. Anyone that claims they had to
navigate with the windows blackened out and no imput has to be a
faker!

Joe
MSV RedCloud


Could be he's a tellypath ;-))

JohnE



Donal January 15th 04 07:30 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 

"John.E" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

validate a time line if needed. Took my YM offshore practical about 12
months after that, did my Ocean qualifier about 3 months after that

(theory
already bagged on project) but never did the oral as I just ain't so

hot
with a sextant and sight reduction tables.


I'm confused. Are you saying that you haven't got a YMO?


Which bit of "Took my YM offshore practical about 12 months after that"
confused you?


I somehow got the impression that you were claiming to have done the
"Yachtmaster.Ocean" a couple of posts back.


Keep them clean. You'll be able to use them in about a week!


Can't be bothered. From your reluctance to answer it seems even more likey
you just full of it.


It will be worth the wait, honestly.




BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q?
Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete
sense, or none.


Makes no sense!


Whew! I didn't want to have a row with someone that I might know.



Come on, put up or shut up. Your evasion is getting tedious and merely
further reinforces the impression that you a faker, or to use your own
parlance, a LIAR!


I said that you will be able to use your cutlery in a week.

It's more fun this way. I *will* answer your questions within the week.
I promise.


Regards


Donal
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Joe January 15th 04 08:58 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 
"Donal" wrote in message ...

BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q?
Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete
sense, or none.



I DO! I DO! It that company that make the gagets for Bond, James
Bond.
The guy who runs the show is named Q. Every Brit knows that, shucks
even us Texans know that.

Why do you ask?, Are you looking for super secret yachtmaster gear.

Like the innercranium gyro repeater, or the blind man compass glasses,
or perhaps hull piercing foward looking infer-red goggles.

That Q fellow is pretty smart. Good luck shopping.

Joe
MSV RedCloud







Regards

Donal
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Donal January 15th 04 11:29 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Donal wrote:

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Donal" wrote in message



Doug might be correct, it is possible that most of it gets exported.
Another whiskey that seems to be only available abroad is Tullamore Dew.


I've got a bottle of that in the booze cupboard, sells for the same price
as our domestic rye whiskeys, in other words, an arm and a leg after the

Government
gets its' cut.


Have a taste, and tell us what you think of it.

I am under the impression that the "connisseurs"(sp?... I can see it's
wrong, but I don't know why!) do not rate it highly. However, to my simple
taste buds, it is as good as Bushmills Green Label, and yet only costs half
as much.




Regards


Donal
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Joe January 15th 04 11:43 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 
otnmbrd wrote in message ink.net...
Donal wrote:
"otnmbrd" wrote in message



.... and as you say, "passage planning" is an area that many people do
not make enough use of, and an area that can save a good deal of grief
if properly employed.



Before taking the family on cross-channel trips, I always make sure that my
wife and eldest son do a passage plan. That way, if anything happens to me
they should be able to carry on.

I've also taught my kids that using the GPS means a longer crossing, even
when you allow for the *predicted* tide. The tides are rarely exactly as
predicted. This doesn't matter much on a 12-14 hour crossing, because if
the tide goes faster one way, then it will also go faster the other way. So
we usually stick to our course. Big errors usually correct themselves when
the tide turns.


One of the "problems" with using GPS exclusively for navigation, is that
often we either forget or never learn some of the "old" tricks that were
used, prior to GPS.
For instance, there are many routes that people take, where they knew
the effects of current and didn't bother with course change that the GPS
may show as needed to make point "B" from point "A". Prior to GPS, you'd
set one course and never change it (on these routes) and no matter how
far you wandered off the base course line, you left the course alone,
because when you got to point "B", you'd have wandered back to where you
wanted to be.


13 years ago, there was far less electronics on boats. There wasn't


even

GPS.

I think it's been a bit longer than that....course, the time element of
change from "sat nav" to "gps" is kinda blurry ... sat nav being in the
early 80's



The only nav systems that I saw on boats was Decca. Maybe GPS sets were too
expensive???


Until GPS, SAT NAV sets tended to be expensive, required (initially)
knowing antenna height, and only gave positions when they had satellites
aligned (visible) so they may not give you positions as and when you
really needed them, which meant you best be using other methods also.



Hmmm, who's trolling? Joe claims that doing 25 knots in fog under


radar

alone is safe. He refuses to believe that you can use tide tables and a
chart to plan a course that you can actually use without much further
assistance. Now you expect me to remember all the precise details of
something that I studied 13 years ago!

G I think you misread/understood what Joe was saying (at least, I read
his statement differently) No one runs the type of boat he was talking
about, in fog, at those speeds, under radar "alone".



Did you read the thread? He seemed pretty clear on the subject, and
defended his position quite vigourously.


Been following it all along. We are obviously interpreting it differently.



The route is well known, local knowledge is extensive, tides and
currents are well known and specific, as are traffic patterns,
densities, etc., and a lookout is normal (lookout may not be on the bow
as this could be dangerous, but there will be one, though I recognize
"idiots" exist in all quarters).



Joe was adamant that he used radar, and didn't need any other form of
lookout.


I read he was using radar as his most immediate and important source of
traffic and navigation information, not his only source. If he didn't
have a second pair of eyes from among the crew, also watching from some
position, then shame on him.



We always in a channel had another person on lookout, but keep in
mind he also had the duty of engineroom walkthrus. If you have ever
ran the mississippi this time of the year you would know what Im
talking about. You can have your deckhands face buried into another
radar, that the only way he is going to help lookout. To be looking
out the windows was a waste of time, the fog is that thick, your lucky
if you can see your bow. Donal is insane if he thinks it will help to
put a man on the bow of a crewboat doing 20 knots, I wouldent even
suggest that on a clear day in a channel, just incase you run aground
or hit a submerged object. At 20+ knts your not going to hear much
besides your own boat.

And if he's yelling at something he see's it to late to do much about
it.

The fact is Donal hasent a clue what a professional mariner can
accomplish with the proper tools. He thinks it best to put a person on
the bow because he does on a quiet sailboat doing 2 knots. Thats safe
to him because it will help him. On a crewboat your risking your crews
life doing something so stupid. 100 tons of aluminum going 20 knots
with a 180 pound kid on the bow...........in the fog...........

Id rather have him strapped in the wheelhouse learning how to use a
curser and ID targets.

Donal can not understand how someone could navigate a river or
channel at 20 + knot safely with radars as your only eyes. Donal has
no real pratical skills using a radar, or pratical skills at radar
plotting.

Rivers and canals are the best place to do this. With flat water you
can tune a radar to see the wake off a canoe. The outline of the banks
can be as familiar as seeing it in the day. Tanks on the banks,
Hunting shacks, channel markers, islands, bouys, docks, tree clumps,
logs and even seagrass clumps can be tuned in to a crystal clear
picture if you know what your looking at, and know how to use the
tool.

Would he argue so strongly if I said the wheelhouse was equiped with
FLIR?

He's just a baby step above a weekend warrior.

Joe
MSV RedCloud




Now, as to your memory ..... of course I expect you to remember those
details .... just don't expect me to remember the details of my "radar
recertification" I did @6 mos ago.



I've come to the conclusion that you remember the things that are of
practical use. For example, I have forgotton almost all of the morse code.


still remember that

I've also forgotton what most identification lights mean. If they have
anything unusual, then I give way.


G good reason to always have the "Rules" book handy. I try to read it
cover to cover every 6 mos, and frequently thumb through the "lights"
section at other times, especially if I've been caught short on making
an identity, while underway.

To be honest, getting into these discussions, has and is an excellent
way to maintain "Rules" currency.
Were you aware, that the latest change to rule 8(a), was mainly an
attempt to emphasis the rule regarding changing course to port to avoid
a collision? BG Just thought I'd throw that in there.

otn


Regards


Donal
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Donal January 15th 04 11:45 PM

A Tachtmaster wanna be said
 

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote in message

...

BTW, do you know of a company whose name begins with Q?
Don't waste time thinking about the question. It either makes complete
sense, or none.



I DO! I DO! It that company that make the gagets for Bond, James
Bond.
The guy who runs the show is named Q. Every Brit knows that, shucks
even us Texans know that.

Why do you ask?, Are you looking for super secret yachtmaster gear.


No. I am trying to avoid a flame war with someone that I might know.

Somebody who might nor be aware that he knows me. It's a small world
sometimes, and I know somebody with a name that made me wonder.



Like the innercranium gyro repeater, or the blind man compass glasses,
or perhaps hull piercing foward looking infer-red goggles.


You should do your own typing, Joe!


That Q fellow is pretty smart. Good luck shopping.


Thanks.


Regards


Donal
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