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Sorry Katy,

After the Nicen Conference the bishops of Alexander (The Church of the
West at the time) want Constantan to make the Bishops of the Eastern
Branch to live up to the agreement they signed at the conference. They
had the upper hand with Constantan & the Roman Army behind them. They
wanted Jesus to be considered a God at the time he was on Earth.

I agree with your view, maybe? He had to be fully human to complete his
mission on Earth. Not as a God but fully as a human. If that is what you
are saying, we're on the same page!!

"I'll Take a wafer and a sip of the grape!" on that.

Ole Thom

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

I suspected you'd suspect as much.

Seahag

The_navigator© wrote:

I guess you are confriming that there is no factual evidence that this
person existed. I suspected as much.

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:

Frankly, you're asking the wrong person - you might ask someone that
cares.
Part of the "uncertainty" is that the likely Hebrew name is sometimes
written in
English as Joshua, but is actually closer to Yahoshua. And, of course,
the
vernacular was a version of Aramaic.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Are you saying we don't actually know his name???????????

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:


OK, the name "Jesus" didn't exist back then. In fact, it was spelled

"Iesus" in

the King James Bible. His Hebrew name would have been "Joshua" or a

variation

of that.


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Well that's supicious for a start -the bible doesn't use his correct
name???? Where's his birth records?

Cheers MC

Jeff Morris wrote:



I'm not sure of that "record," but I think most informed observers
would

agree


that Jesus probably did exist, that he was a Rabbi, and that he was

crucified.


The issue at doubt is his divinity.

As for his name, it was rather common, and by Jewish tradition he had
no

last


name. He would either be known as "... son of ..." or identified by
his

town.


And by definition, religion, or perhaps I should say "faith", is

irrational.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
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A man named Jesus is on historical record as having been
crucified. If I remember the record correctly there were
two other men crucified at the same time.

The other two dead men were no more Gods than Jesus
was. What was Jesus' last name anyway? Did he even
have a last name? Funny how everybody else in those days
seems to have had a last name. Maybe religious legends
don't need a last name?

Maybe religions are irrational? Yes, that's it.

How one group of religious nuts can claim with absolute
surety theirs is the only TRUE religion should tell any
sane man that NONE of them are right!

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Jesus? Don't you mean Easter Bunny?
There is NO Jesus, dummy.


Jesus is a matter of historical fact!

There is NO hard evidence that Jesus ever existed. Not even a
fossil

record.

Bob, You're an idiot.

Jesus Christ existed. He was crucified.

Believe it or not, these facts are a matter of record.


You live in a very young country. Perhaps you, mistakenly, think
that
records do not exist from the year 30AD. In fact, they do. There
is

*NO*

doubt about the existence of Jesus. NONE whatsoever! The Romans
were
great beaurocrats. They kept written records of all public events.

Both

the Birth, and the Cruifixion of Christ are documented facts.

You may well derive some personal gratification from the
denunciation of
Christ, but that is something that you will answer for.


Christ existed. That's an Historical fact.

Bush is a liar. That is also a fact!


Regards


Donal
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Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Wonderful Jeff,

A very great book of Literature of how an Ancient Group of religious
people chose to believe and explain their God and reasons for their
beliefs

That, my friend, is the most pointed thing I've heard out of this whole
discussion.

I can raise my glass to that

Ole Thom

Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Interesting you should say that. The Vulcan salute used by Spock is the hand
gesture used by the Orthodox Kohanim during the benediction blessing of the
service. The Kohanim are the male descendents of Aaron and are the "priestly
class" amongst Jews. To this day, Jews that are Kohanim (Cohens) have a special
place in the service, and DNA tests show that line has been rather faithfully
remembered.

Leonard Nimoy was a Kohanim, and grew up in the Orthodox community of the "West
End" of Boston. "Live long and prosper" is a shortened form of the benediction.

http://members.aol.com/judaism/ask/archives/qs006.htm

-jeff "Live Long and Prosper"


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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Then why are they secret?


Only the Vulcans know. My guess is that Jeff is probably Vulcan, or at the
very
least half Vulcan.

RB

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"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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No I haven't. I just haven't been given proof and your belief does not
convince me.

Will you tell us what kind of proof that you would find convincing?


It's easy to debunk evidence that disproves your POV by moving the
goalposts. Bobsprit is expert at this form of debate. The rednecks also
excel at this form of arguement. I'm trying to avoid wasting my time by
asking a simple question.

So, if you can tell me what you would accept as incontroversal(sp??)
evidence, then I will go and look for it.


Regards


Donal
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Does that mean they won't be celebrating Christmas this year?


heh I assume that you know that a celebration at Christmas time existed
long before Christ. The Christians hijacked a pagan festival. The same
thing happened with Easter.


Regards


Donal
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Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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That's interesting but he's reporting hearsay. He doesn't actually talk
about miracles so there's no evidence of divinity.

You are already moving the goalposts because you read something that you
didn't like! I have made *NO* reference to divinity, in this discussion.

As far as I am aware, we are only discussing the existence of a man known as
"Jesus", who lived about 2000 years ago.



Regards


Donal
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Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

Yes, but, for the last couple hundred years or so, at least here in the
states, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.

BTW, some stupid liberal PC morons bitched about one of the schools'
Christmas decorations. They had to replace ''Merry Christmas'' banners with
''Happy Holidays''.

Scotty


"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Does that mean they won't be celebrating Christmas this year?


heh I assume that you know that a celebration at Christmas time
existed
long before Christ. The Christians hijacked a pagan festival. The same
thing happened with Easter.


Regards


Donal
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Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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Yes, but, for the last couple hundred years or so, at least here in the
states, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ.

BTW, some stupid liberal PC morons bitched about one of the schools'
Christmas decorations. They had to replace ''Merry Christmas'' banners
with
''Happy Holidays''.

Scotty

It's even worse here.

Taking a video of your 6 y/o child in the school Christmas play is now
banned because people might sell the images on the internet!!!!


When we were expecting our first baby (now almost seventeen!), I was shocked
by a midwife who told us that she didn't allow Cameras in *her* delivery
room, because men would take the photos down to the local pub, and sell
them!! That was the same evil bitch who wanted to let a student stick a
cathater into my wife's bladder so that she could relieve herself!! I
didn't allow that to happen - thank God!


Regards


Donal
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Well I thought, if I dont tell ya, I don't Love ya!
 

So, if you can tell me what you would accept as incontroversal(sp??)
evidence, then I will go and look for it.


Proof.
Physical evidence = none
When it comes to ancient history, we can only speculate.
There is no hard evidence that Jesus existed. He could easily have been a
legend NOT based on a actual person.

RB