Aparently you didn't pay much attention. There's no way a J30 set to cruise
for a week is going to outperform one that's ready to race.

Never said that it would.

RB

Bob I believe you stated they would be equal in displacement in regards to
race crew weight vs cruise weight.
I think Ole Thom corrected you about that assumption.

CM



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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| Aparently you didn't pay much attention. There's no way a J30 set to
cruise
| for a week is going to outperform one that's ready to race.
|
| Never said that it would.
|
| RB

Bob I believe you stated they would be equal in displacement in regards to
race crew weight vs cruise weight.
I think Ole Thom corrected you about that assumption.

Nope. Not at all. People carry a lot or a little when they cruise. Doug is
doing little more than guessing at what cruising gear and supplies might
weight.
My ONLY point was that the J30 or Express 30 are still "performance" boats
compared to cruisers like the Nordic, even when loaded down for a cruise.

RB

I can't see a 30 foot boat in race trim
having more than 4 crew.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


RB

I guess that would depend on your comfort level for a week's cruise and how
many people go cruising with you. I often took 5 or 6 people out on
Overproof for a week long cruise.

6 people on a Nordic 30 for a week-long cruise?
bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| I guess that would depend on your comfort level for a week's cruise and
how
| many people go cruising with you. I often took 5 or 6 people out on
| Overproof for a week long cruise.
|
| 6 people on a Nordic 30 for a week-long cruise?
| bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yes..... often. Why is that funny to you?

CM

| 6 people on a Nordic 30 for a week-long cruise?
| bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Yes..... often. Why is that funny to you?

BWAHAHAHAHAAHA! Often??? BWAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAA!

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
| Nope. Not at all. People carry a lot or a little when they cruise. Doug is
| doing little more than guessing at what cruising gear and supplies might
| weight.
| My ONLY point was that the J30 or Express 30 are still "performance" boats
| compared to cruisers like the Nordic, even when loaded down for a cruise.

The following from sailcalc wouldn't support your theory based on these
numbers....

Performance Comparison LOA Express 30 30

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL Express 30 24.5

Nordica 30 25

Beam Express 30 10

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement Express 30 8200

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area Express 30 472

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio Express 30 1.98

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed Express 30 6.63

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement Express 30 18.57

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL Express 30 249

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam Express 30 2.45

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort Express 30 22.39

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch Express 30 875

Nordica 30 873

The following from sailcalc wouldn't support your theory based on these
numbers....

Performance Comparison LOA Express 30 30

My boat would trounce you, but an Express or J 30 would leave you for dead. The
J30 could take you on any tack with just her main. And that's a FACT.

RB

That's a losing point, Boobie. If you fitted out a J30 for cruising the way most real
cruisers fit out, you'd have a rather slow boat. Actually it would be almost impossible,
since the J30 only holds 30 gallons of water and less fuel.

You can claim that a lightly loaded boat would be faster, and that's true. However, its
not the way most people cruise, unless they're just marina hopping for a few days.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Bob I believe you stated they would be equal in displacement in regards to
race crew weight vs cruise weight.
I think Ole Thom corrected you about that assumption.

Nope. Not at all. People carry a lot or a little when they cruise. Doug is
doing little more than guessing at what cruising gear and supplies might
weight.
My ONLY point was that the J30 or Express 30 are still "performance" boats
compared to cruisers like the Nordic, even when loaded down for a cruise.

RB