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Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range
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Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans.
(Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range
You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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papers on the trust are taking longer than expected.
So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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hummm ok, your the expert that's always in mooring thehee
NH_/)_ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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"NH_/)_" wrote:
.... so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back. Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being struck by a meteor first. 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Bull****. They're great rigs if you understand them. If you overload
them, over- or under-canvass them, then they're crap. Some designs are not well thought out and are thus crap. If you sail them beyond your knowledge and skill, they're crap. But, all of this can be said for monohulls as well. It's the sailor, not the boat 99% of the time. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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Get a folding trimaran like the Corsair. Then you can use one slip.
They're still expensive. However, the tris are faster than cats and they point higher. You can also haul them behind a car if you need to... "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... papers on the trust are taking longer than expected. So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught
in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over but did not sink. ? can you explain better NH_/)_ "DSK" wrote in message ... "NH_/)_" wrote: .... so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back. Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being struck by a meteor first. 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice.
For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. I have a friend who's delievered several (4) big cats transatlantic. With experienced crews, he said the motion of the cats was horrible and some seasoned sailors got sea sick for the 1st time in their lives. He feels they are best as coastal cruisers and not true sea boats. RB |
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Get a folding trimaran like the Corsair. Then you can use one slip.
They're still expensive. However, the tris are faster than cats and they point higher. There's a 28 foot Cosair near me, Say what you want, but those people have a blast on that thing and get everywhere 1st. RB |
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36 feet isn't bad either.
-- -jeff www.sv-loki.com "The sea was angry that day, my friend. Like an old man trying to send back soup at the deli." NH_/)_ wrote: Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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"NH_/)_" wrote:
I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over but did not sink. ? can you explain better Sure. That was a hot-stuff racing cat, very very light with huge sails. It is a VERY different sort of beast than a cruising cat. The things that flip cats over (pitchpoling, catching wind under the crossbeams & platform) are not the same things that flip over monos (big breaking waves caught at the wrong angle). The cats are vulnerable only if caught in conditions that you'd be stupid to get caught in or sailed 'way too hard (that Great Lakes flipped cat is an example of both at once). If you cruise intelligently (ie prudently) you have about the same chance of getting hit by a meteor as flipping. Of course, with the bigger deck area, a multi has greater odds of that than a mono ;) I freely admit to being prejudiced in favor of monohulls, although I can see some of the advantages of multihulls. Usually their advantages are either exaggerated or outright mis-stated by enthusiasts, often by folks with little practical knowledge of other types of vessels. Ask Jeff Morris about his boat, he's a multi fan but not an unrealistic one. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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If you cruise intelligently (ie prudently) you have about the same chance of
getting hit by a meteor as flipping. Of course, with the bigger deck area, a multi has greater odds of that than a mono ;) I dispute those odds. Care to back them? There is but one case of a person being struck by space debris. RB |
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On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:05:48 GMT, a team of surgeons from
alt.sailing.asa removed the following benign growth from NH_/)_: Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You'd need a bloody big catflap. -- PJR :-) mhm34x8 Smeeter #30 Alcatroll Labs Inc. (Executive Vice-President) news:alt.fan.pjr |
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Good Points given thanks......
lessons and charters are in order, until we get some seasoned experience before we try deep waters NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... they are best as coastal cruisers and not true sea boats. RB |
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Peter J Ross wrote in
: On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:05:48 GMT, a team of surgeons from alt.sailing.asa removed the following benign growth from NH_/)_: Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You'd need a bloody big catflap. Bwawhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhahwh! Bertie |
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Jon,
Scroll down to the bottom of the link she gave and you'll find a list of ten reasons why this type of cruising cat is dangerous enough to make a list like this necessary. You won't find such a list on a monohull site. That should tell you something. S.Simon - a Captain who sails a man's boat "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Bull****. They're great rigs if you understand them. If you overload them, over- or under-canvass them, then they're crap. Some designs are not well thought out and are thus crap. If you sail them beyond your knowledge and skill, they're crap. But, all of this can be said for monohulls as well. It's the sailor, not the boat 99% of the time. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Only women and girly men are interested in Catamarans. (Sorry Per!) S.Simon - a Captain who knows multihulls are not real boats "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...ing%20a%20Boat NH_/)_ |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in
: S.Simon - a Captain who sails a man's boat Really? and you do it seriously, I suppose. It is a wood boat, right? Because only gurls sail tupprware.. Bertei |
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More downsides:
1) It won't go to weather worth a crap 2) It's uglier than sin 3) If your built-in generator takes a crap you're out of commission 4) It'll capsize and stay capsized and it can and will sink 5) It's a pain in the butt to anchor 6) Two motors equals twice the headaches 7) It's a better motorboat than a sailboat 8) It's way way way too expensive for what you get 9) Did I say it's uglier than sin? 10) Real cruisers will laugh at you and won't want to be anywhere near you in an anchorage. It's a case of "Oops! there goes the neighborhood!" S.Simon "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... papers on the trust are taking longer than expected. So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in
: More downsides: 1) It won't go to weather worth a crap Pretty much just like all you guys. Bertie |
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Simon I'm going to take at least 40K and buy a nice twin motor
powerboat. Find where your mooring and get one right beside you, wait until your asleep and let that baby rip those twin engines theheee NH_/)_ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... More downsides: 1) It won't go to weather worth a crap 2) It's uglier than sin 3) If your built-in generator takes a crap you're out of commission 4) It'll capsize and stay capsized and it can and will sink 5) It's a pain in the butt to anchor 6) Two motors equals twice the headaches 7) It's a better motorboat than a sailboat 8) It's way way way too expensive for what you get 9) Did I say it's uglier than sin? 10) Real cruisers will laugh at you and won't want to be anywhere near you in an anchorage. It's a case of "Oops! there goes the neighborhood!" S.Simon "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... papers on the trust are taking longer than expected. So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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And, I'll stuff fenders up your exhausts.
Harrrrhhhh! "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Simon I'm going to take at least 40K and buy a nice twin motor powerboat. Find where your mooring and get one right beside you, wait until your asleep and let that baby rip those twin engines theheee NH_/)_ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... More downsides: 1) It won't go to weather worth a crap 2) It's uglier than sin 3) If your built-in generator takes a crap you're out of commission 4) It'll capsize and stay capsized and it can and will sink 5) It's a pain in the butt to anchor 6) Two motors equals twice the headaches 7) It's a better motorboat than a sailboat 8) It's way way way too expensive for what you get 9) Did I say it's uglier than sin? 10) Real cruisers will laugh at you and won't want to be anywhere near you in an anchorage. It's a case of "Oops! there goes the neighborhood!" S.Simon "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... papers on the trust are taking longer than expected. So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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"NH_/\)_" wrote in
: Simon I'm going to take at least 40K and buy a nice twin motor powerboat. Find where your mooring and get one right beside you, wait until your asleep and let that baby rip those twin engines theheee Oh real machoor. Bertie NH_/)_ "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... More downsides: 1) It won't go to weather worth a crap 2) It's uglier than sin 3) If your built-in generator takes a crap you're out of commission 4) It'll capsize and stay capsized and it can and will sink 5) It's a pain in the butt to anchor 6) Two motors equals twice the headaches 7) It's a better motorboat than a sailboat 8) It's way way way too expensive for what you get 9) Did I say it's uglier than sin? 10) Real cruisers will laugh at you and won't want to be anywhere near you in an anchorage. It's a case of "Oops! there goes the neighborhood!" S.Simon "NH_/)_" wrote in message ... papers on the trust are taking longer than expected. So while we wait, I am grabbing all knowledge that I can from this and other groups, sites and such, so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink 2 more room 3 sails in shallow water 4 more stable on the water Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range You still haven't bought a boat? You probably never will. RB |
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That was a racing trimaran, not a cruising cat; two totally different boats. The have
been only a handful of cruising cats over 35 feet flipping while cruising in the last 50 years - maybe one a decade. Here's the story of the Caliente: http://personalpages.tds.net/~treyritter/ NH_/)_ wrote: I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over but did not sink. ? can you explain better NH_/)_ "DSK" wrote in message ... "NH_/)_" wrote: .... so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back. Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being struck by a meteor first. 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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How do you know about the ones that were lost at sea and never
reported? I thought 'assumptions should not be made of the basis of scanty information'. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... That was a racing trimaran, not a cruising cat; two totally different boats. The have been only a handful of cruising cats over 35 feet flipping while cruising in the last 50 years - maybe one a decade. Here's the story of the Caliente: http://personalpages.tds.net/~treyritter/ NH_/)_ wrote: I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over but did not sink. ? can you explain better NH_/)_ "DSK" wrote in message ... "NH_/)_" wrote: .... so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back. Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being struck by a meteor first. 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Simple Simon wrote:
More downsides: 1) It won't go to weather worth a crap Some do, some don't. Since you always power to weather, why do you bother to comment? 2) It's uglier than sin A matter of opinion. I think mine is very handsome, though it is a somewhat unique design. However, I'll confess that I felt a bit out of place in Vineyard Haven, which has a large number of traditional wooden boats and classic plastic. 3) If your built-in generator takes a crap you're out of commission What geneator? You're talking about a boat that likely has twin deisels, each with an alternator. Acres of space for solar panels. No need for A/C at anchor, since we (and most) have 6 large forward facing top hatches, plus 10 other opening hatches. 4) It'll capsize and stay capsized and it can and will sink So you say, but it hardly ever happens. Statistically, a monohull is far more likely to sink. 5) It's a pain in the butt to anchor Why? I have twin bows so two sets of gear are ready to go. I have an immense work area so no one is afraid to go to the bow, even in rough weather. Its true that I do have to rig a bridle, bu that only takes a few minutes and eliminates chaff. 6) Two motors equals twice the headaches Yes, especially when I'm backing through a marina, and spinning the boat in place. And its really a headache when I foul one prop on a lobsta pot and only have one engine left. Yes, I do have twice as many oil changes, but I can live with that. 7) It's a better motorboat than a sailboat In some cases, but its almost always a better sailboat than a monhull the same size. 8) It's way way way too expensive for what you get I could have got a Hunter 42 for the same money. I think I got the better of the deal. Its true that the used market is rather expensive - maybe because people are willing to pay? 9) Did I say it's uglier than sin? Glass houses, Neal, Glass Houses. 10) Real cruisers will laugh at you and won't want to be anywhere near you in an anchorage. It's a case of "Oops! there goes the neighborhood!" Real cruisers stop by because they know my fridge is twice as large! But I'm often anchored close to shore since a three foot draft allows me to go where most monohulls only dream of. S.Simon - the skipper of "half a yacht" |
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"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Real cruisers stop by because they know my fridge is twice as large! But I'm often anchored close to shore since a three foot draft allows me to go where most monohulls only dream of. How about paying more attention to going where three-foot-draft monohulls can only dream of going - like to weather? He he! S.Simon. |
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DSK wrote:
"NH_/)_" wrote: 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). Have you been on a newer PDQ36? They are certainly not built for chartering, and a large number of owners have done extensive cruising. We lived and cruised for a year (2 adults, one child) and never felt a lack of storage. I will admit that our third stateroom (which has a queen size bunk) gradually turned into a pantry. In our current "short cruise" mode, we have three large lockers that are empty, and the third stateroom is occupied by a dog. Early versions of the boat were much more stripped out, since it was originally designed as a racer/cruiser. 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. Are you saying that any monohull with a draft over 3 feet is not properlly designed? 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane Why not? 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) So have a lot of monohulls. Yes, the noise can be dramatic, but a varies a lot, cat to cat. 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) Yes, under 8-10 knots of true wind, I'd likely be powering. but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Can you name a few? I'll admit that you can get one or two of these traits, and if you're willing to get an older boat you can do better with a monohull. But if you're comparing newer boats I don't know what would fill your description. -jeff |
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Yes, its well know fact that multihull owners have no family or friends that would notice
their absence. This is about as ignorant as your claim that "all multihulls can and will capsize and sink" Simple Simon wrote: How do you know about the ones that were lost at sea and never reported? I thought 'assumptions should not be made of the basis of scanty information'. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... That was a racing trimaran, not a cruising cat; two totally different boats. The have been only a handful of cruising cats over 35 feet flipping while cruising in the last 50 years - maybe one a decade. Here's the story of the Caliente: http://personalpages.tds.net/~treyritter/ NH_/)_ wrote: I seen a program on TV, where is shows a cat getting caught in a down-draft from a storm on the Great Lakes it flipped over but did not sink. ? can you explain better NH_/)_ "DSK" wrote in message ... "NH_/)_" wrote: .... so when the funds come in, we know what we want. and the cat right now is lurking top choice. Reasons 1 will flip ...but does not sink Neither will a monohull with either bulkheads or positive flotation, and if the mono flips it will come back. Actually, it takes really bad luck and/or stupidity to flip a big cruising cat. Not a realistic concern, you should worry about being struck by a meteor first. 2 more room Depends on how you count 'room.' Most multis suffer from lack of stowage and the extra room is divided up into small compartments. Except for a few Chris White designs, I have yet to see a cruising cat that was designed for cruising (ie a small number of people aboard long term) rather than chartering or weekend partying (not that there's anything wrong with that). 3 sails in shallow water So will a properly designed mono. 4 more stable on the water Yep. Definitely a plus there. Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. 2 mooring can be more difficult--finding room 3 can't use a windvane 4 poor performance in chop (also very noisy) 5 poor performance in light air (but you'll probably be motoring anyway) but wait there's more! I always manage to PO the multi fans because I point out the lack of perfection of their craft... of course all boats are a compromise. Personally, aesthetics aside, I don't think cats are a logical choice. For what a big cruising cat costs, you can get & outfit a mono that is bigger, roomier, faster, more seaworthy, with centerboard or lifting keel, and the only thing you gain with the cat is no heeling. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
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Oh, right. Please tell us what monohull with a 3 foot draft goes to weather better than
my boat. remeber, it has to have three staterooms with queen size bunks! Simple Simon wrote: "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Real cruisers stop by because they know my fridge is twice as large! But I'm often anchored close to shore since a three foot draft allows me to go where most monohulls only dream of. How about paying more attention to going where three-foot-draft monohulls can only dream of going - like to weather? He he! S.Simon. |
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"NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Good Points given thanks...... lessons and charters are in order, until we get some seasoned experience before we try deep waters If you have a reasonable amount of experience, then choosing your boat should be a bit like buying a home. You will walk onto a boat, and get that "fits like a glove" feeling. Make sure that she sails like you want her to. If you are still not sure whether you want a mono- or multihull, then I would guess that you either need more sailing experience. Alternatively, you could buy a much cheaper boat than you are presently considering. After a season, or two, you will have a much better idea of what you really want. Marinas are filled with expensive boats that never get sailed. The boat next to mine hasn't left her berth for the last three years! Regards Donal -- |
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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Get a folding trimaran like the Corsair. Then you can use one slip. They're still expensive. However, the tris are faster than cats and they point higher. You can also haul them behind a car if you need to... All the folding tri's that I have seen have lousy accommodation. The centre hull tends to be much narrower than a mono, and the outer hulls have no accommodation at all. They seem a bit "specialist" to me. Regards Donal -- |
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"NH_/)_" wrote in message ... Down side 1 Costs are high the one we are looking at costs 300K we only have 140K right now so we have to wait for the trust to come available. Why not ask Oz for some money? He has loads! Perhaps you already know a bent cop who has a surplus of cash?? Regards Donal -- |
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There's no correlation. There are probably about five percent or less multi-hulls cruising the oceans of the world. Raw numbers would make it seem that monohulls suffered more losses but if one works the percentages it is easy to see that catamarans are much much more dangerous. They are a gimmick, a fad, an offshoot from the charter trade where people could care less about sailing. People who charter big cats only want room to party, refrigeration and freezers so they can stuff their faces with food they cooked in their 'gourmet galleys". They'd be far better of on a cruise ship, for gawd's sake. S.Simon - a Captain who knows cruising "The Captains Master" wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 16:17:30 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: How do you know about the ones that were lost at sea and never reported? I thought 'assumptions should not be made of the basis of scanty information'. S.Simon Jesus Cappy you really have lost touch with reality. Start counting the number on monos lost without trace. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Whaaaaat!
You've actually seen a folding tri folded in its slip? They have no keel and will just fall over. Guy who used to have a Corsair at the former marina left it partly = folded...had to rasie the amas to get past the mooring posts..once in = he'd let her stretch out a bit,. Looked like a Klingon Bird of Prey = sitting there partially folded.... --=20 katysails s/v Chanteuse Kirie Elite 32 http://katysails.tripod.com "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein |
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If I want three suites and queen-sized bed I'll go to
Motel 8. I've got three and a half feet of draft and I'll race you to weather in a good blow on open water any time and I'll point higher than you. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Oh, right. Please tell us what monohull with a 3 foot draft goes to weather better than my boat. remeber, it has to have three staterooms with queen size bunks! Simple Simon wrote: "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Real cruisers stop by because they know my fridge is twice as large! But I'm often anchored close to shore since a three foot draft allows me to go where most monohulls only dream of. How about paying more attention to going where three-foot-draft monohulls can only dream of going - like to weather? He he! S.Simon. |
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Huh? Whatta you do about the cooling water intakes
for your refrigerator/freezer and air-conditioning let alone the genset that runs that crap? S.Simon "The Captains Master" wrote in message ... Actually its the exact opposite Because of the shallow draft you can go much further in than a mono and anchor in more sheltered water. Hell if you know the bottom you can even go in far enough for her to dry out at low tide. |
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All it takes is realism and common sense.
Given ocean miles traveled . . . Fact: Cats capsize more often than monos Fact: Cats stay upside down more often than monos Who needs that" S.Simon "The Captains Master" wrote in message ... On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:34:11 -0400, "Simple Simon" wrote: There's no correlation. There are probably about five percent or less multi-hulls cruising the oceans of the world. Raw numbers would make it seem that monohulls suffered more losses but if one works the percentages it is easy to see that catamarans are much much more dangerous. They are a gimmick, a fad, an offshoot from the charter trade where people could care less about sailing. People who charter big cats only want room to party, refrigeration and freezers so they can stuff their faces with food they cooked in their 'gourmet galleys". They'd be far better of on a cruise ship, for gawd's sake. S.Simon - a Captain who knows cruising You're talking thru your hat.....again! Do me a favour, before you broach the subject again do some research on the multis lost in recent years....after the designs were sorted. Remember Cappy they haven't been around all that long. You're relying on bar talk and rumour, you have absolutely no basis for the BS you've trotted out. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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