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I agree, when the only sailing you do is within sight of the dock in sheltered
waters a multi-hull will suit just fine.

Why warp the truth? Are you sooo angry about your tired boat?
A cat like Jeff's is fantastic for his usage and would be damn good for yours
as well!

RB

You couldn't lure me to L.I.S. for a million bucks. The
stink, the pollution, the pale pasty-white New York
women. Yuck!

You challenged me to a race. I accepted and set the course.
Fine black women are for the taking in George Town. Young
white girls are for the buying in Habana. And, there's gay guys
galore in Key West just for you should you manage to finish.

It doesn't get any better than that!

You gonna race or are you gonna chicken out?

S.Simon

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Yes, I'll race you from George Town, Exuma, Bahamas
to Key West, FL via Habana, Cuba.

Put up or shut up.

150K. Double your pot. I make the challenge, dummy. Sail to my cruising area in
the Spring and we'll race around Long Island. I'll arrange escrow acounts. I'll
pay you 150K if you win, plus airfare home if you don't want to sail back.
Since I'm a busy man and married, this is reasonable. You have nothing else to
do and have the experience to get here. I don't have the experience to make the
trip to you yet.
My offer is reasonable and the wager is large enough to make it worthwhile.
I'll SINGLEHAND my boat for the race.

Your boat Coronado 27 with whatever sail inventory you have vs. my boat C&C 32
with her CURRENT inventory of sails.

Now...YOU put up or shut up! If you were any kind of a sailor and man you'd
come just for the hell of it!

RB

I sailed in company with a PDQ of the same size Jeff sails on
the Sea of Abaco between Green Turtle Cay and Marsh Harbour.

It was a beat and that crummy cat could not point worth a
damn. I swear I had twenty degrees to weather good on his
best efforts. I left him in my wake. He arrived at Marsh Habour
fully 15 minutes after me.

Those cruising cats simply won't go to weather.

S.Simon - the one and only.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I agree, when the only sailing you do is within sight of the dock in sheltered
waters a multi-hull will suit just fine.

Why warp the truth? Are you sooo angry about your tired boat?
A cat like Jeff's is fantastic for his usage and would be damn good for yours
as well!

RB

I sailed in company with a PDQ of the same size Jeff sails on
the Sea of Abaco between Green Turtle Cay and Marsh Harbour.

That's a good story, Neal. But does not match what I've read. As you know, the
boat will only sail as well as the person piloting her.

RB

I left him in my wake. He arrived at Marsh Habour
fully 15 minutes after me.

And then he had a wonderful comfortable evening on his boat, while you were
stuffed into your cubby like a swollen sardine.

RB

You couldn't lure me to L.I.S. for a million bucks. The
stink, the pollution, the pale pasty-white New York
women. Yuck!

There you have it folks. I also said it would be around LI, so it's open water
to the Atlantic as well. I'll even make the whole race open Atlantic...we can
race out 100 miles or so to an agreed coordinate and race back to NY harbor.

RB

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I left him in my wake. He arrived at Marsh Habour
fully 15 minutes after me.

And then he had a wonderful comfortable evening on his boat, while you were
stuffed into your cubby like a swollen sardine.

. . . and having to listen to and smell the exhaust from his
stupid generator. If you can't do without a generator you
should stay at home on the grid and leave us real sailors in
peace.

S.Simon

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

I'll even make the whole race open Atlantic...we can
race out 100 miles or so to an agreed coordinate and race back to NY
harbor.

Bobby, I've got bad news for you! You can't drop anchor for lunch out in
the Atlantic. Perhaps you should think of something different?

Regards

Donal
--

That was almost undoubtedly one of Mike's charter boats from SailAbaco.
http://www.sailabaco.net/
You were probably racing someone who had never been on a cat until the day before.
Footing off was not a bad tactic for the cat, as he should have increased speed more than
enough to compensate - though 20 degrees sounds like a lot. However, you're talking about
a beat of about 25 miles in effectively a narrow channel - its takes a fair amount of work
to get the most out of cat in those conditions.

Even if your 15 minute margin was real, its not very significant. Frankly, since we've
had this performance discussion twice recently and you suddenly "remembered" this
incident, its pretty obvious that you're just making it up!

If you really want upwind performance, the PDQ 36 Express had twin daggerboards, 29% more
sail area, and weighs more than a ton less.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I sailed in company with a PDQ of the same size Jeff sails on
the Sea of Abaco between Green Turtle Cay and Marsh Harbour.

It was a beat and that crummy cat could not point worth a
damn. I swear I had twenty degrees to weather good on his
best efforts. I left him in my wake. He arrived at Marsh Habour
fully 15 minutes after me.

Those cruising cats simply won't go to weather.

S.Simon - the one and only.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I agree, when the only sailing you do is within sight of the dock in sheltered
waters a multi-hull will suit just fine.

Why warp the truth? Are you sooo angry about your tired boat?
A cat like Jeff's is fantastic for his usage and would be damn good for yours
as well!

RB

You have this obsession about gensets. I don't have one, nor did the charter cat you
"raced.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I left him in my wake. He arrived at Marsh Habour
fully 15 minutes after me.

And then he had a wonderful comfortable evening on his boat, while you were
stuffed into your cubby like a swollen sardine.

. . . and having to listen to and smell the exhaust from his
stupid generator. If you can't do without a generator you
should stay at home on the grid and leave us real sailors in
peace.

S.Simon

I think either place would be a great idea. In the interest of
fairness, I'm willing to fly to the location at my own expense
and observe the race as a neutral party. All I ask is reimbursement
from the winner for my flight back and a couple of drinks at the
local bar.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Yes, I'll race you from George Town, Exuma, Bahamas
to Key West, FL via Habana, Cuba.

Put up or shut up.

S.Simon.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
My Coronado 27 has the same LWL as your crummy C&C 32.
It's just as fast or faster because it doesn't drag a heavy motor
and prop thru the water.

Wanna bet 150 large that it isn't?

RB

You're forgetting this is New York! You can get Take-Out for anything. Even McDonalds
delivers!

I'm sure RB could arrange a SeaTow delivery from Atelier - maybe that's the special
incentive Neal need's to make the trip.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...

I'll even make the whole race open Atlantic...we can
race out 100 miles or so to an agreed coordinate and race back to NY
harbor.

Bobby, I've got bad news for you! You can't drop anchor for lunch out in
the Atlantic. Perhaps you should think of something different?

Regards

Donal
--

Even if your 15 minute margin was real, its not very significant. Frankly,
since we've
had this performance discussion twice recently and you suddenly "remembered"
this
incident, its pretty obvious that you're just making it up!

Of course he's making it up! He JUST remembered it after months of bashing
cats! What a fool.

RB

Bobby, I've got bad news for you! You can't drop anchor for lunch out in
the Atlantic. Perhaps you should think of something different?

Are you sure about that?

Poor Donal!

RB

Only to people who own them, and therefore HAVE to think they are somehow
better. Truth is, the Mark V was a vast improvement.

How so?

RB

Only to people who own them, and therefore HAVE to think they are somehow
better.

Eh??? I own a C&C 32 and I don't "have" to think it's better than a C&C 99. I
do think it's better than a C&C 30 (any version), which was a far and away a
better selling boat.

RB

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
| never have and never will. I earn MY keep!

Discussed this with a Scottish buddy of mine... he boasted he'd never been
on unemployment insurance and had never taken a check for it. I pointed out
to him that considering the taxes he paid and the fact the unemployment
deduction was taken from his paychecks all thos years... it would be
tantamount to refusing to take an insurance payment on your car that someone
else ran into and wrecked because you were to proud .... just Plain Stupid!

Try not paying a portion of the income Tax and see if your government is too
"Proud" to take you to court and seize your money/assets.

Your line of thinking is illogical.

CM

You're wrong. I never paid dime one in unemployment
insurance payments. The companies I worked for were
required by law to pay them. I know what you are gonna
say. You're gonna claim I would have earned a bigger
paycheck if the company did not have to pay unemployment
insurance premiums. I maintain that is NOT the case. The
companies would simply have pocketed the extra profit.

Besides, only fools view unemployment insurance as
something everyone who pays should collect. I've got
news for you, buddy, insurance only works when everybody
in a group pays and a few in a group collect. If everyone
collects his 'fair share' said fair share would not be enough
to pay the benefits people who really need it expect and
deserve. It was never meant to keep some lazy ******* in
beer and cigarettes. Instead of receiving 2/3rds of one's
normal paycheck one would receive more like 1/50th of it.
How some people ever got the idea that insurance
is some kind of magic bullet is hard to fathom. I guess
one can expect little more from a Canadian, at any rate.

S.Simon - actually knows how the system works.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
| never have and never will. I earn MY keep!

Discussed this with a Scottish buddy of mine... he boasted he'd never been
on unemployment insurance and had never taken a check for it. I pointed out
to him that considering the taxes he paid and the fact the unemployment
deduction was taken from his paychecks all thos years... it would be
tantamount to refusing to take an insurance payment on your car that someone
else ran into and wrecked because you were to proud .... just Plain Stupid!

Try not paying a portion of the income Tax and see if your government is too
"Proud" to take you to court and seize your money/assets.

Your line of thinking is illogical.

CM

Up here we all pay into unemployment insurance.... not the company. There is
an excess of money in the EI coffers to date going into the billions of
dollars. They can't use it anywhere else due to legislation. Maximum payable
benefits are capped at $655 every 2 weeks...that averages to 8.5 K every 6
months The average is around $350 every 2 weeks.

They bitch about the Maritimes being the biggest users of insurance benefits
but won't do anything to stimulate investment or jobs. They sold off the
rights to the fishing grounds to foreign interests who have been gleefully
raping the area of all fish for the last 5 decades in return for agreements
from them to buy our wheat. We pay an average of 48% in taxes and
unemployment insurance is just enough to keep one in the poor house for 13
weeks a year after which you require 665 bankable hours of work to reapply.
The government goes out of it's way to penalize and small private
entrepreneurs and generously gives massive tax breaks to large corporations
from overseas that operate with a minimal staff based on profit over
employment opportunity basis.These same companies compete effectively to
buy-out or destroy smaller outfits and family owned businesses that have
employed many people for generations.

Last time I checked it was supposed to be a government by the people for the
people... not a government to screw the people for the benefit of those
elected. Screw them... we have a healthy Black Market here in Nova Scotia
and I'll continue to support anything that keeps my tax dollars from lining
some lying pigs wallet after serving a 3 year term and retiring on a cush
$120,000/yr pension at 55.

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| You're wrong. I never paid dime one in unemployment
| insurance payments. The companies I worked for were
| required by law to pay them. I know what you are gonna
| say. You're gonna claim I would have earned a bigger
| paycheck if the company did not have to pay unemployment
| insurance premiums. I maintain that is NOT the case. The
| companies would simply have pocketed the extra profit.
|
| Besides, only fools view unemployment insurance as
| something everyone who pays should collect. I've got
| news for you, buddy, insurance only works when everybody
| in a group pays and a few in a group collect. If everyone
| collects his 'fair share' said fair share would not be enough
| to pay the benefits people who really need it expect and
| deserve. It was never meant to keep some lazy ******* in
| beer and cigarettes. Instead of receiving 2/3rds of one's
| normal paycheck one would receive more like 1/50th of it.
| How some people ever got the idea that insurance
| is some kind of magic bullet is hard to fathom. I guess
| one can expect little more from a Canadian, at any rate.
|
| S.Simon - actually knows how the system works.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
|
| | S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
| | never have and never will. I earn MY keep!
|
| Discussed this with a Scottish buddy of mine... he boasted he'd never
been
| on unemployment insurance and had never taken a check for it. I pointed
out
| to him that considering the taxes he paid and the fact the unemployment
| deduction was taken from his paychecks all thos years... it would be
| tantamount to refusing to take an insurance payment on your car that
someone
| else ran into and wrecked because you were to proud .... just Plain
Stupid!
|
| Try not paying a portion of the income Tax and see if your government is
too
| "Proud" to take you to court and seize your money/assets.
|
| Your line of thinking is illogical.
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

Yours is a different system entirely and it sounds more
corrupt because government runs it. Our system works
off private companies that are regulated by the government
thus there is a little better control of it.

What you have up there is closer to socialism than what
we have though with the liberals' constantly increasing the
size of this entitlement program and that giveaway program
and that social program we creep closer by the year.

People seem to always want more given to them but they
sure can grip when the govt. takes away half or more of
their money in taxes and only returns a small part of to
those from whom they grabbed it. There is a disconnect
in the liberal mentality that can't make the connection
between what the govt. takes and what small part they
can return after spending most of what they take on
supporting the bureaucracy.

Conservatism runs counter to all of this liberal crap.
Conservatism, at its core, says people should pay
their own way. Charity begins at home and families
should support those members who need supporting.
Government should primarily look after the National
Defense. That's it. Too bad it's only a pipedream
anymore. Even when a so-called conservative gets
in office they end up spending like liberals. There's
now winning.

One needs to save his dollars as best as one can,
When one accumulates enough and gets a private
pension going to collect along with what little Social
Security might remain one should take his life
savings off shore along with his boat and live
in the Bahamas, the Virgin Islands or somewhere
else where the weather is nice year 'round and
spend one's money there were sales taxes don't
exist in a lot of places.

Income taxes can be avoided completely by keeping
income below 15K per year. One can live like a king
on a sailboat in the Bahamas for less than 15K a year.

S.Simon - a man with a plan

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Up here we all pay into unemployment insurance.... not the company. There is
an excess of money in the EI coffers to date going into the billions of
dollars. They can't use it anywhere else due to legislation. Maximum payable
benefits are capped at $655 every 2 weeks...that averages to 8.5 K every 6
months The average is around $350 every 2 weeks.

They bitch about the Maritimes being the biggest users of insurance benefits
but won't do anything to stimulate investment or jobs. They sold off the
rights to the fishing grounds to foreign interests who have been gleefully
raping the area of all fish for the last 5 decades in return for agreements
from them to buy our wheat. We pay an average of 48% in taxes and
unemployment insurance is just enough to keep one in the poor house for 13
weeks a year after which you require 665 bankable hours of work to reapply.
The government goes out of it's way to penalize and small private
entrepreneurs and generously gives massive tax breaks to large corporations
from overseas that operate with a minimal staff based on profit over
employment opportunity basis.These same companies compete effectively to
buy-out or destroy smaller outfits and family owned businesses that have
employed many people for generations.

Last time I checked it was supposed to be a government by the people for the
people... not a government to screw the people for the benefit of those
elected. Screw them... we have a healthy Black Market here in Nova Scotia
and I'll continue to support anything that keeps my tax dollars from lining
some lying pigs wallet after serving a 3 year term and retiring on a cush
$120,000/yr pension at 55.

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| You're wrong. I never paid dime one in unemployment
| insurance payments. The companies I worked for were
| required by law to pay them. I know what you are gonna
| say. You're gonna claim I would have earned a bigger
| paycheck if the company did not have to pay unemployment
| insurance premiums. I maintain that is NOT the case. The
| companies would simply have pocketed the extra profit.
|
| Besides, only fools view unemployment insurance as
| something everyone who pays should collect. I've got
| news for you, buddy, insurance only works when everybody
| in a group pays and a few in a group collect. If everyone
| collects his 'fair share' said fair share would not be enough
| to pay the benefits people who really need it expect and
| deserve. It was never meant to keep some lazy ******* in
| beer and cigarettes. Instead of receiving 2/3rds of one's
| normal paycheck one would receive more like 1/50th of it.
| How some people ever got the idea that insurance
| is some kind of magic bullet is hard to fathom. I guess
| one can expect little more from a Canadian, at any rate.
|
| S.Simon - actually knows how the system works.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
|
| | S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
| | never have and never will. I earn MY keep!
|
| Discussed this with a Scottish buddy of mine... he boasted he'd never
been
| on unemployment insurance and had never taken a check for it. I pointed
out
| to him that considering the taxes he paid and the fact the unemployment
| deduction was taken from his paychecks all thos years... it would be
| tantamount to refusing to take an insurance payment on your car that
someone
| else ran into and wrecked because you were to proud .... just Plain
Stupid!
|
| Try not paying a portion of the income Tax and see if your government is
too
| "Proud" to take you to court and seize your money/assets.
|
| Your line of thinking is illogical.
|
| CM
|
|
|
|

I would be willing to donate my share directly to Bushy.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You're wrong. I never paid dime one in unemployment
insurance payments. The companies I worked for were
required by law to pay them. I know what you are gonna
say. You're gonna claim I would have earned a bigger
paycheck if the company did not have to pay unemployment
insurance premiums. I maintain that is NOT the case. The
companies would simply have pocketed the extra profit.

Besides, only fools view unemployment insurance as
something everyone who pays should collect. I've got
news for you, buddy, insurance only works when everybody
in a group pays and a few in a group collect. If everyone
collects his 'fair share' said fair share would not be enough
to pay the benefits people who really need it expect and
deserve. It was never meant to keep some lazy ******* in
beer and cigarettes. Instead of receiving 2/3rds of one's
normal paycheck one would receive more like 1/50th of it.
How some people ever got the idea that insurance
is some kind of magic bullet is hard to fathom. I guess
one can expect little more from a Canadian, at any rate.

S.Simon - actually knows how the system works.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

| S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
| never have and never will. I earn MY keep!

Discussed this with a Scottish buddy of mine... he boasted he'd never
been
on unemployment insurance and had never taken a check for it. I pointed
out
to him that considering the taxes he paid and the fact the unemployment
deduction was taken from his paychecks all thos years... it would be
tantamount to refusing to take an insurance payment on your car that
someone
else ran into and wrecked because you were to proud .... just Plain
Stupid!

Try not paying a portion of the income Tax and see if your government is
too
"Proud" to take you to court and seize your money/assets.

Your line of thinking is illogical.

CM

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Income taxes can be avoided completely by keeping
income below 15K per year. One can live like a king
on a sailboat in the Bahamas for less than 15K a year.

You had better check that again - although you might not owe any taxes, you have to file
if you earned over $7700.-

And you've made vague claims of a pension - I thought one needed at least 20 years for a
federal pension - or did you get a disability?

Ten years only needed - State of Floida pension plan.
In spite of rumors to the contrary I never worked for
the USPS.

I made no income money last year so I didn't have to file
any stinkin' federal income tax form. I won't collect any
pension or Social Security for about six more years.

S.Simon - no longer supports the bloated federal bureaucracy

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
And you've made vague claims of a pension - I thought one needed at least 20 years for a
federal pension - or did you get a disability?

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
My boat is paid for from day one and has crossed oceans.

Can you make the same claims for your pretend vessel?

Sure, I can make the same "claims." The diff is that I'm honest about my
short
journey's

You're only honest about your short journeys???? So you admit that you lie
about the longer ones (eg - over 3 miles)?

TAAaa DAAAAaaaa! Busted!..... Again!

Regards

Donal
--

"Capt.American" wrote:

...I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat.

What? Needing to pay attention to the sails is "real danger?" You've been sailing that cow
barn too long, we realize that sail trim makes no difference to such a heavyweight, but most
of us have sailboats in order to SAIL.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Hmm, comsidering how many cats have made passages to Hawaii, your main claim to fame, this
doesn't come over too well CA. Maybe you should consider backing off....

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
... waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

Jeff Morris wrote:
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.

Nah, Coronados rot away at their moorings and end up in the landfill.

DSK