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Jeff Morris September 8th 03 07:49 PM

shopping pains
 
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message

om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message

m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range


http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_



Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American






Simple Simon September 8th 03 07:55 PM

shopping pains
 
OK, Nora, them's fightin' words . . .
I don't normally fight with a lady but, in your case,
I might wanna make an exception. Bet you like it
a little rough?

S.Simon - a lover; not a fighter.

"NH_/)_" wrote in message m...
S.S. you have some serious issues, Any boat is nicer than yours
with new sails and bent cheap 13m boom theeheh.


NH_/)_




Simple Simon September 8th 03 07:58 PM

shopping pains
 

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
.. And who says my dollars were hard earned?


Ya got me there, matey! Unemployment checks are no work at all. . .

S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
never have and never will. I earn MY keep!



Simple Simon September 8th 03 08:00 PM

shopping pains
 
I agree, for once, diesel-powered yacht have higher resale value.

Lord only know why but they do. . .

S.Simon - never had and never will have a diesel - they stink!


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
On the other hand, the dull roar of a diesel loafing along is a lot easier to
take than
the scream of an outboard working hard.

Keep in mind the resale...far easier and better with the diesel IB engines.
Every boat is a "stepping stone" to the next...and then you die.

RB




Simple Simon September 8th 03 08:16 PM

shopping pains
 

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message

om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message

m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range


http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American








Jeff Morris September 8th 03 08:26 PM

shopping pains
 
S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
never have and never will. I earn MY keep!


Its real hard to get laid off from the Post Office!





Simple Simon September 8th 03 08:31 PM

shopping pains
 


And even easier to collect that fat pension at YOUR espense!

S.Simon - takes what he can get but still works for it.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
S.Simon - never cashed an unemployment check in my life;
never have and never will. I earn MY keep!


Its real hard to get laid off from the Post Office!







Jeff Morris September 8th 03 08:39 PM

shopping pains
 
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Typical Democrat - suck the system for all it's worth then
lobby for higher taxes so it'll be worth even more. Never
think about going to work and earning a living for once. . .
Let the rest of us pay your way.


With over 30 years of employment in the State I've certainly paid into the Unemployment
Insurance program far more than I ever will receive. Actually, I was an employer for 8
years, and paid *much* more into the system during that period the I ever will receive.

During this Republican recession its a little hard to find jobs around here now-a-days.



Bobsprit September 8th 03 08:48 PM

shopping pains
 
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB

Bobsprit September 8th 03 08:49 PM

shopping pains
 
Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Ratio and real world are two different points on the graph, Neal.
Please show us all of the cruising cat capsizes over the past 10-15 years.

RB

Jeff Morris September 8th 03 08:50 PM

shopping pains
 
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6 degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50 mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries. But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in

the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message

om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message

m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range



http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American









Simple Simon September 8th 03 08:51 PM

shopping pains
 
CORRECTION: The recession, which is over and lasted three quarters
in 2001, started during the Democrat Clinton's administration. Clinton's
largest tax increases in history in 94/95 caused it.

President George W. Bush cured the Democrat-caused recession
with his tax cuts.

Jeff, you are soooooooooooooo ignorant and stupid!

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Typical Democrat - suck the system for all it's worth then
lobby for higher taxes so it'll be worth even more. Never
think about going to work and earning a living for once. . .
Let the rest of us pay your way.


With over 30 years of employment in the State I've certainly paid into the Unemployment
Insurance program far more than I ever will receive. Actually, I was an employer for 8
years, and paid *much* more into the system during that period the I ever will receive.

During this Republican recession its a little hard to find jobs around here now-a-days.





Bobsprit September 8th 03 08:52 PM

shopping pains
 
And even easier to collect that fat pension at YOUR espense!

And live like a near-homeless person on a joke-a-boat Coronado 27? If you had
any cash, you'd find a better boat with a bit more space and confort.
Your living conditions tell the real story.

RB

NH_/\)_ September 8th 03 09:02 PM

shopping pains
 
Only bite when bitten ;-)

NH_/)_

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
OK, Nora, them's fightin' words . . .
I don't normally fight with a lady but, in your case,
I might wanna make an exception. Bet you like it
a little rough?

S.Simon - a lover; not a fighter.

"NH_/)_" wrote in message

m...
S.S. you have some serious issues, Any boat is nicer than yours
with new sails and bent cheap 13m boom theeheh.


NH_/)_







Jeff Morris September 8th 03 09:07 PM

shopping pains
 
Depending on how you define the terms, the number is 3 or 4 or 5. Several cases involved
skipper incompetence, though this is often the case with hindsight. But one was
particularly bad - the entire crew didn't have foul weather gear and in a gale refused to
go on deck to reef or control the boat - it flipped on autopilot! I know of another
autopilot assisted capsize, but it was in a smaller cat that I would include as a cruiser.

The only case I know of where the skipper did every thing right and still flipped was in a
hurricane off Bermuda (1987?). A number of monohulls were lost without a trace during
that storm, but the crew of the flipped cat was rescued. Unfortunately the owner/skipper
died because his diabetes medicine was lost.

Trimarans have a much worse record - since they can fly an ama they run the risk of
stuffing the lee bow with serious stability problems. IIRC the "F" club reports only 1
capsize of a Farrier design ever while cruising, but several a year while racing.




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB




Simple Simon September 8th 03 09:08 PM

shopping pains
 
Unlike you, I know what I like in a cruising sailboat.

I've spent the time and money to perfect mine while
you continue to boat-hop from one dream to the next.
The loss is yours.

S.Simon - Booby's mentor


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
And even easier to collect that fat pension at YOUR espense!

And live like a near-homeless person on a joke-a-boat Coronado 27? If you had
any cash, you'd find a better boat with a bit more space and confort.
Your living conditions tell the real story.

RB




Simple Simon September 8th 03 09:10 PM

shopping pains
 
If it 'doesn't happen' it's only because folks like you are
too afraid to make an ocean crossing. You're smart (or
afraid) enough to stay in sheltered waters with your
dangerous multi-hulls.

S.Simon - sails a safe boat.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6 degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50 mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries. But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times in

the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range



http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American











Simple Simon September 8th 03 09:11 PM

shopping pains
 


Have you dived the bottoms of the oceans of the world?

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't.

How many cruising cats have flipped over in the last 15 years?
I can't even find one case online for a cruiser like Jeffs.

RB




Simple Simon September 8th 03 09:39 PM

shopping pains
 
My kinda girl ;-)))


"NH_/)_" wrote in message om...
Only bite when bitten ;-)

NH_/)_

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
OK, Nora, them's fightin' words . . .
I don't normally fight with a lady but, in your case,
I might wanna make an exception. Bet you like it
a little rough?

S.Simon - a lover; not a fighter.

"NH_/)_" wrote in message

m...
S.S. you have some serious issues, Any boat is nicer than yours
with new sails and bent cheap 13m boom theeheh.


NH_/)_









Jeff Morris September 8th 03 09:43 PM

shopping pains
 
Several PDQ 36's have crossed the Atlantic, and a significant number (perhaps 15 to 20%)
have gone to Bermuda and then down to the Caribbean.

Possible hundreds of Prouts have circumnavigated (they've never had a capsize); and almost
all of the charter cats in the Caribbean sailed there from France or South Africa.

So tell us Neal, how many crossings do you have? Has a Coronado 27 ever survived a
passage?



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
If it 'doesn't happen' it's only because folks like you are
too afraid to make an ocean crossing. You're smart (or
afraid) enough to stay in sheltered waters with your
dangerous multi-hulls.

S.Simon - sails a safe boat.


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

...
If my boat ever heeled more than 10 degrees I'd be calling the insurance agent. Last

week
I had full sail up while close hauled in a 30 knot gust - we might have heeled 6

degrees.
Normally I would have been reefed, but this was a 2 mile zig in the middle of a 50

mile
broad reach.

You keep making the claims but the bottom line is that it doesn't happen. You can
certainly find numerous cases of racing multi flipping, and a few wiped out in harbor
during hurricane strikes (though they usually do better than monos), a number of

smaller
cats (under 34 feet) have had a problem and even a few incidents during deliveries.

But
there have been almost no cruising cats over 34 feet capsizing while cruising.

However, you can't say the same about monohull that roll - a startling number of them

stay
capsized or sink.


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!

Now, look at any ballasted monohull capsize ratio chart. What do
you see? An angle of 90 degrees and more? Yes, sir, that's the
ticket!

See what I mean?

S.Simon - a monohull sailor and safer because of it.

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

...
You keep claiming cruising cats capsize. They don't. Maybe its happened 5 times

in
the
last 50 years. I'd say its a fair guess that more Coronado's have sunk in the

same
period.




"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Thank you for reiterating the obvious. But, trying to make
multi-hull buyers see the obvious is about as difficult as
making a pig stay away from his slop.

My only hope is they remember our words as they suffer
and waste away in an upside down multihull adrift till they
starve or die of exposure.

S.Simon


"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...
"NH_/\)_" wrote in message
m...
Cats are looking to be a nice choice in the 38-40ft range




http://www.sailnet.com/collections/b...&coll_cat=Choo
sing&Coll_name=Choosing%20a%20Boat


NH_/)_


Hey NH_/),

Did you read the last line of the link you posted?

"you should have a capsize plan and make sure that emergency supplies
will be reachable"

In other words you are stopped, upside down, and just flosum.

Never happen on a well buildt monohull.

I also like the line "you better be able to release your mainsheet in
an instant."

So True, and the real danger of a cat. If you buy a cat you better be
faster than the wind.

SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.

Capt. American













Simple Simon September 8th 03 09:57 PM

shopping pains
 

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
So tell us Neal, how many crossings do you have? Has a Coronado 27 ever survived a
passage?



There are numerous Coronado 27's that have circumnavigated.
"Cut the Mustard" will be among them one of these days.

Of the 1,397 Coronado 27's that were built 1,386 still sail. Only
11 have sunk, burned or are otherwise unaccounted for. This is
a far better record than any old Prout or any brand of multi-hull
for that matter.

S.Simon - a real sailor with a real license to engage in commerce.



Simple Simon September 8th 03 10:04 PM

standard reply to all cowardly, pinko liberals
 

Hey Oz,




S.Simon




"The Captains Master" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:33:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Typical Democrat - suck the system for all it's worth then
lobby for higher taxes so it'll be worth even more. Never
think about going to work and earning a living for once. . .
Let the rest of us pay your way.


Which reminds me, did GWB ever give you those tax cuts he promised?
I see he wants a whole heap of cash to try and sort out the mess he
made in Iraq....another installment?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.



Bobsprit September 8th 03 10:08 PM

shopping pains
 
Unlike you, I know what I like in a cruising sailboat.

No comercial value
No speed
Poor windward ability
Small with little space
Not attractive
Dated in every respect.
That's your current boat!

A Catalina 30 could be transformed into a bluewater vessel and afford you far
better comfort. But then if you were seeking a blue water boat of merit, age
and class you'd be aboard an Alberg 35 at the very least. They're not
expensive.

RB

Jeff Morris September 8th 03 10:11 PM

shopping pains
 
Yes - it was great! Thanks to Shrub I hardly pay any taxes at all! I'll bet Neal pays
even more than I do!



"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:33:55 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

Typical Democrat - suck the system for all it's worth then
lobby for higher taxes so it'll be worth even more. Never
think about going to work and earning a living for once. . .
Let the rest of us pay your way.


Which reminds me, did GWB ever give you those tax cuts he promised?
I see he wants a whole heap of cash to try and sort out the mess he
made in Iraq....another installment?



Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Bobsprit September 8th 03 10:12 PM

shopping pains
 
There are numerous Coronado 27's that have circumnavigated.
"Cut the Mustard" will be among them one of these days.

This is a LIE. And a dangerous one. There is a record of a Catalina 27 doing
this after MAJOR mods.
Capt Neal and his Coronado 27 will NEVER circumnavigate, unless it's on
containerships!

RB

Bobsprit September 8th 03 10:17 PM

shopping pains
 
Look at the capsize ratio charts for your average cruising cat.

What do you see? An angle of fifty or sixty degrees or less.
Bwahahahahahha!


You idiot!
Do you have any idea what it takes to get a cruising cat to those
angles?

jeff, why waste time kicking the poor old fool. How would he know anything
about cruising cats? The poor guy snapped his boom in half, then glued it back
together, trippling it's weight! This was his solution to simply finding a
properly made boom.
The worst thing I've heard about Cruising cats is from a friend who's delivered
a few over the Atlantic. He says their motion in poor conditions can be very
hard on the crew compared to a good mono.
Given the type of sailing that 95% of us do, a Cat can make a lot of sense,
especially when enjoying more than one type of vessel in a lifetime of sailing.
I expect I'll own a Cat in between future boats...but I think my last boats
will be monos.

RB

Jeff Morris September 8th 03 10:27 PM

shopping pains
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message

There are numerous Coronado 27's that have circumnavigated.
"Cut the Mustard" will be among them one of these days.

Of the 1,397 Coronado 27's that were built 1,386 still sail. Only
11 have sunk, burned or are otherwise unaccounted for. This is
a far better record than any old Prout or any brand of multi-hull
for that matter.


I'd really like to know where you found those stats - by "numerous" do you mean one person
thought about it? Perhaps you can post a link to some of these passage logs.

Your count of C27's seems real high, especially since the company went belly up a few
years after it was introduced. Are you sure that isn't a count of all the boats they
built?

Since Prout built 4 to 5000 cruising cats, and never had a capsize or sinking, you're
going to have trouble beating that record. I do recall a fire on one - the hull was later
converted to a commercial fishing boat!




Bobsprit September 8th 03 10:38 PM

shopping pains
 
Yep! That's why your attempts to portray my boat as unseaworthy were so
laughably ignorant and completely off the mark. You are one desperate little
lubber!

Which attempts? Your boat is simply too small to be a safe boat. It's a nice
boat for protected waters where you sail.
We're sailing to Martha's Vineyard in the Spring. That's a trip that would be
less than comfortable on your little toy. The C&C 27 III is also less of a boat
than the 70's versions, from build to interior to lines.

RB

Simple Simon September 8th 03 11:02 PM

shopping pains
 
Wrong! I did not even file last year. I paid zero! Had no income
ya know - at least no income the government could be aware of.

Always specify cash in 20 dollar bills for any transactions.

S.Simon - a gentleman and a scholar!


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ...
Yes - it was great! Thanks to Shrub I hardly pay any taxes at all! I'll bet Neal pays
even more than I do!




Jeff Morris September 8th 03 11:11 PM

shopping pains
 
Then I think I have you beat!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! I did not even file last year. I paid zero! Had no income
ya know - at least no income the government could be aware of.

Always specify cash in 20 dollar bills for any transactions.

S.Simon - a gentleman and a scholar!


"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

...
Yes - it was great! Thanks to Shrub I hardly pay any taxes at all! I'll bet Neal

pays
even more than I do!






Simple Simon September 8th 03 11:12 PM

shopping pains
 

You just don't understand!

"Booby" scribbled in message ...
No comercial value


Whoop-de-doo!

Who cares about commercial value other than some putz who
only cares about boat-hopping. I've already explained how my
Coronado 27 has enabled me to put over 150 large into my
retirement investments.

No speed


My Coronado 27 has the same LWL as your crummy C&C 32.
It's just as fast or faster because it doesn't drag a heavy motor
and prop thru the water.

Poor windward ability


Think again, fatboy! I've actually beat to weather
in the ocean, have you?

Small with little space


As I've frequently pointed out and proved with pictures, the
interior of my boat actually has more room than your so-called
32-footer. I even have a chart table with room to work.

Not attractive


Matter of opinion. Form follows function but I guess you
don't know anything about that.

Dated in every respect.


The sea cares not about date of conception. The sea only
knows Capt. Neal and "Cut the Mustard" are a force to
be reckoned with.

That's your current boat!


And, it's twice the boat you motor around!

S.Simon - your mentor and your nemesis.



Simple Simon September 8th 03 11:16 PM

shopping pains
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
mono.
Given the type of sailing that 95% of us do, a Cat can make a lot of sense,
especially when enjoying more than one type of vessel in a lifetime of sailing.
I expect I'll own a Cat in between future boats...but I think my last boats
will be monos.


I agree, when the only sailing you do is within sight of the dock in sheltered
waters a multi-hull will suit just fine.

S.Simon



Simple Simon September 8th 03 11:33 PM

shopping pains
 
If I equal Old Thom then I'll be happy! But, I reckon I'll
beat him by at least ten years. I'm just too bad to die young.

S.Simon


"The Captains Master" wrote in message ...
Good for you Cappy....how long do you expect to live again?




Donal September 9th 03 12:16 AM

shopping pains
 

"Capt.American" wrote in message
om...


SO.......If you value your life stay away from cats, unless your just
a weekend warrior in the local bay or lake with someone looking out
4U.


I think that the fear of Cat's capsizing is a bit like some people's fear of
flying versus road travel. If something goes wrong in a jet, it is likely
to be CATastrophic. However, one is statistically far safer in a jet than
in a car.

Personally, I just don't think that a catamaran feels right (apart from a
Hobie 15).

Regards


Donal
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Bobsprit September 9th 03 12:28 AM

shopping pains
 
As I've frequently pointed out and proved with pictures, the
interior of my boat actually has more room than your so-called
32-footer. I even have a chart table with room to work.

It's about a 3rd less volume inside than my boat. I've been aboard a Coronado
30.
Why lie about this stuff, neal?

RB

Bobsprit September 9th 03 12:29 AM

shopping pains
 
Form follows function but I guess you
don't know anything about that.

I knew enough to get a boat built better than yours...and faster and it doesn't
look like a yellow pregnant M&M!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit September 9th 03 12:30 AM

shopping pains
 
Good for you Cappy....how long do you expect to live again?

Look at the boat! You call that living?

RB

Simple Simon September 9th 03 12:35 AM

shopping pains
 


Yes, I'll race you from George Town, Exuma, Bahamas
to Key West, FL via Habana, Cuba.

Put up or shut up.

S.Simon.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
My Coronado 27 has the same LWL as your crummy C&C 32.
It's just as fast or faster because it doesn't drag a heavy motor
and prop thru the water.

Wanna bet 150 large that it isn't?

RB




Simple Simon September 9th 03 12:39 AM

shopping pains
 


My boat is paid for from day one and has crossed oceans.

Can you make the same claims for your pretend vessel?

S.Simon - the one and only.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Good for you Cappy....how long do you expect to live again?

Look at the boat! You call that living?

RB




Bobsprit September 9th 03 12:44 AM

shopping pains
 
Yes, I'll race you from George Town, Exuma, Bahamas
to Key West, FL via Habana, Cuba.

Put up or shut up.

150K. Double your pot. I make the challenge, dummy. Sail to my cruising area in
the Spring and we'll race around Long Island. I'll arrange escrow acounts. I'll
pay you 150K if you win, plus airfare home if you don't want to sail back.
Since I'm a busy man and married, this is reasonable. You have nothing else to
do and have the experience to get here. I don't have the experience to make the
trip to you yet.
My offer is reasonable and the wager is large enough to make it worthwhile.
I'll SINGLEHAND my boat for the race.

Your boat Coronado 27 with whatever sail inventory you have vs. my boat C&C 32
with her CURRENT inventory of sails.

Now...YOU put up or shut up! If you were any kind of a sailor and man you'd
come just for the hell of it!

RB


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