It is too a shelf foot, why do you day it isn't?

S.Simon

"The Captains Master" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:16:16 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

How does the bolt rope in the boom limit the trim?

Mine bolt rope (3/8" polyester sewn to the sail)
stretches as the outhaul is heaved tight and the
sliding slug at the clew slides aft. The sail stretches at
the foot and the shelf actually closes so it is not even
evident. Only when the outhaul is slacked off to produce
a fuller sail is the shelf expanded. Maybe your shelf-footed
sail was poorly designed?

S.Simon

Ummm that's not a shelf foot Cappy!
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html

Bwaaaahahahahahahahahaha!
What an idiot!!!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Here is a quote from the "Mainsail Instructions" that came with the sail.

"Foot Tension - turning to the foot of the sail, the sail is cut to reach the
outhaul band with sufficient outhaul tension to close the shelf in the foot.
This may mean that the outhaul has to be pulled quite hard because the
rope in the foot of the sail is tight and must be stretched."

It has a shelf at the foot, therefore it is a shelf-footed sail.

S.Simon


"The Captains Master" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:16:16 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote:

How does the bolt rope in the boom limit the trim?

Mine bolt rope (3/8" polyester sewn to the sail)
stretches as the outhaul is heaved tight and the
sliding slug at the clew slides aft. The sail stretches at
the foot and the shelf actually closes so it is not even
evident. Only when the outhaul is slacked off to produce
a fuller sail is the shelf expanded. Maybe your shelf-footed
sail was poorly designed?

S.Simon

Ummm that's not a shelf foot Cappy!
http://www.homestead.com/captneal/Thumbsup.html

Bwaaaahahahahahahahahaha!
What an idiot!!!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Here is a quote from the "Mainsail Instructions" that came with the sail.

Wholy crap.


RB

It's a North Sail and far better than your junk!

S.Simon


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
Here is a quote from the "Mainsail Instructions" that came with the sail.

Wholy crap.


RB

It's a North Sail and far better than your junk!

My main is by North. My Genoa is UK.
Doh! Neal bites it again!

RB

Yes it does. What makes you say it doesn't?


"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message ...
Mine bolt rope (3/8" polyester sewn to the sail)
stretches as the outhaul is heaved tight and the
sliding slug at the clew slides aft. The sail stretches at
the foot and the shelf actually closes so it is not even
evident. Only when the outhaul is slacked off to produce
a fuller sail is the shelf expanded.

Hey Simple, I keep telling you that you know nothing about boats. The main in
that photo does not have a shelf foot.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

You didn't miss anything. The pictures are too small and
of low quality. You can't really see anything worth seeing.

S.Simon

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Sorry Loco,

My Web tv can't open your pictures. Wish I could

Ole Thom
P/S All my shelves work as you say. They would unfold as the curve in
the bottom increased.

Two ways.
1. make a slit with a hot knife 2" long just above the bolt rope and
directly under the reef tie. Pass reef tie through slit.

2.Tie reef tie under boom LOOSELY so as not to stress the sail.

Reef tie points are reinforced, but not enough to take the strain of
a foot slug or bolt rope.


On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:36:38 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote:


"Marc" wrote in message
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| Cap, you bring up a frequently misunderstood point. The reef ties
| shoud never be used to tie the sail to the boom. This is a cause for
| sail maker enrichment. The reef ties are not reinforced to take such
| strain. A reefed main is a loose footed main and the sail ties are
| just there to make the package neat.

So Marc... how do you tie a reef into a main that has a bolt rope along the
boom?

points noSince when are reef t reinforced?

CM

"Marc" wrote in message
...
| Two ways.
| 1. make a slit with a hot knife 2" long just above the bolt rope and
| directly under the reef tie. Pass reef tie through slit.
|
| 2.Tie reef tie under boom LOOSELY so as not to stress the sail.
|
| Reef tie points are reinforced, but not enough to take the strain of
| a foot slug or bolt rope.

Yes.. I've utilized the loose tie under the boom. I found it lacking in
effect and prone to misjudgment by crew. I have never heard nor seen
employed the technique of cuts along the foot. I would imagine such a
procedure would adversely affect the sail... especially without
reinforcement.

At any rate.. I have never heard of a mainsail referred to as a "reefer
sail" either manufactured with your suggested cuts [ which I've never seen]
prior to or after the reintroduction of the free footed main by sail
manufacturers. Every vessel I've sailed on with a bolt rope along the foot
and equipped with reefing points used the tie around the boom method. Some
people believe the free footed design is a new concept... I doubt that's
accurate.

The free footed main allows for a cleaner, better shaped and easier method
of securing reefs.

CM

Neal,

You say you ease the outhaul to get a fuller sail, How do you secure the
outhaul to keep the full trim?

Ole Thom