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As promised...info from a reputable source that shows Billy Jane, Mooron and
Donal for the fools they are. Remember, we entered Port Jeff for the first time
ever late at night. We had our charts. We had GPS and we had radar.
We also had the following info from: The Cruising Guide to the New England
Coast: Norton Books publisher.

"In approaching Port Jefferson from any direction, it is wise to keep offshore
and watch the chart carefully, as there are outlying rocks and shouls. The
entrance is narrow and there is apt to be a strong tidal current in or out. An
experienced cruising man warns that:
Sometimes a really dangerous sea makes up outside and between the jetties on
the ebb tide. Entering is possible at all times, providing some care is taken.
Another experienced cruiser feels this is too strong a statement. Suffice it to
say, treat it with respect."

Seems like we practiced safe navigational practice by observing this info.
Tada!!!! So, as you can see, Billy Jane knows nada! Mooron hitched his tow rope
to the wrong star and Donal got dragged down by the undertow!

You're welcome!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!

RB

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How Lame is your Game?
How Low can you Go?
It's the Bobsprit Limbo!

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| "In approaching Port Jefferson from any direction, it is wise to keep
offshore
| and watch the chart carefully, as there are outlying rocks and shoals.

Those must be the shoals and rocks clearly indicated on the chart and
referenced by your vessel's GPS and Radar location showing you in detail how
close you are? Whatever do you do when you encounter a moving hazard... like
another vessel??? Panic and pull doughnuts???


The
| entrance is narrow and there is apt to be a strong tidal current in or
out.

Geez... it must be really narrow if you had to take "several passes" just to
find it!!! ?? So only really skinny boats get in to Port Jefferson eh? Must
also be some tidal surge to restrict access!!! Guess that's what helped keep
you ...offshore!!!??

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

An
| experienced cruising man warns that:
| Sometimes a really dangerous sea makes up outside and between the jetties
on
| the ebb tide. Entering is possible at all times, providing some care is
taken.
| Another experienced cruiser feels this is too strong a statement. Suffice
it to
| say, treat it with respect."

Oh this is way too funny.... a 'sea' builds up!!!! Where are you Bob??...
offshore? Between two jetties... which of course must be lit! Radar! GPS!...
claims to have a chart! Can't give the distance between the "jetties"..
doesn't have a clue how far out the foul ground is! Relies on a Cruising
Guide and quotes it for navigational information because he can't figure it
out himself!!!

|
| Seems like we practiced safe navigational practice by observing this info.
| Tada!!!! So, as you can see, Billy Jane knows nada! Mooron hitched his tow
rope
| to the wrong star and Donal got dragged down by the undertow!

Seems like you didn't have a clue as to what you were doing and luckily
enough had sufficient electronic back-up to assist in helping you find a
well lit channel!! I sure wish I had a scan of this "chart" you were using!

Ha Ha Ha Ha

| You're welcome!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!

Thank You once again for proving my point that you don't have a clue about
navigation or sailing.... I could have done that drunk... without a GPS!

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...
| Good for you Bubbles.
| You showed prudent seamanship.
| The others, well, they're accidents waiting to happen.

Prudent for someone that knows absolutely nothing about sailing or operating
a boat. It's a wonder he didn't call Sea tow to escort him in!

It's a good thing he could blame it all on his wife.... what a low life!



CM

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Prudent for someone that knows absolutely nothing about sailing or operating
a boat. It's a wonder he didn't call Sea tow to escort him in!

And that's that. Proven wrong with absolute finality, Mooron lacks the
integrity to even come forward and be a man about it. Too bad.

RB

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And while I'm making my victory lap....

....lsailed in flukey winds yesterday with a friend who's done quite a few
crossings and sailed all of the world. Told him about our little weekend trip
and he was impressed that Suzanne handled the nav (her 1st time) for a night
entrance to Port Jeff. He said that he's never entered at night without taking
good care due to the heavy chop often encountered and many lights that line up
"in a bad way."
Congrats again to my wife! Sorry, Mooron. That's who you've really been
attacking and you've been proven wrong through and through. Billy Jane was
either dead wrong or never even sailed into Port Jeff at night. I doubt he has,
seeing how he daysails.
See you in Norwalk this weekend, Jane!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Donal got dragged down by the undertow!

I haven't commented about the method of your entry to Port J.

However, now that you bring it up, what time was high water on the night
that you went there?


Regards


Donal
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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...

Bubble will eventually become a good sailor if he doesn't become
overconfident like some here.

Rubbish!

When I started posting here, my experience was similiar to Bobby's.

Four years later, and Bobby finally gets round to a 45 mile daysail !!!!!

In another four years he might (although I doubt it) work up the courage to
sail out of LIS.



Regards


Donal
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In another four years he might (although I doubt it) work up the courage to
sail out of LIS.

I sailed my Catalina 27 along the Jersey coast in harsh late november cold more
than 6 years ago. I also sailed it to Huntington in the snow! Took Ghost
further than the Thimbles last year.
Sorry! You lose again! And we're homing in on a far better boat than
yours...and faster!

Bwahahahahaha! You must be DYING!!!

RB

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We are talking Port Jefferson on the LIS here. It's not tricky in the
slightest.
It's probably the most popular tourist trap for boaters on the entire LIS.

Funny, there was very few transients there! Most of the guest moorings were
open.

RB

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We are talking Port Jefferson on the LIS here. It's not tricky in the
slightest.

Problem is, Jane...nobody and I mean NOBODY, especially the LIS Cruising guide,
agrees with you!
You're so busted it's scary! And yet still you post yourself into the mudpits!
Even if it was the easiest entrance in the world, we did right by observing the
cautions from sailors and the Guide.
Good sailing, Billy Jane, even if you can only wonder what that is!
See you in Norwalk next weekend!
Channel 9!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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Entering Port Jeff is about as easy as it gets.

Ummm...we entered Port Jeff with no problems. You're telling sailors here to
ignore warnings. This is about the same level as Capt. Neal, who hands out
dangerous advice just to troll. Even I won't do that.
Shame on you Billy Jane.
ALWAYS be OVERLY careful when entering a strange port...especially at night.
The ocean is filled with sunken boats who swept into "easy" ports at night!

RB

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You're going straight?

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Isn't it illegal to be sailing after Oct. 31?


"Bobsprit" wrote

I sailed my Catalina 27 ... in late november

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He's already admitted he hasn't the skill to do donuts.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
Whatever do you do when you encounter a moving hazard... like
another vessel??? Panic and pull doughnuts???

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| ALWAYS be OVERLY careful when entering a strange port...especially at
night.

Yeah Bob.. but there's careful and then there's frightened because you
realize you don't know what you're doing...

| The ocean is filled with sunken boats who swept into "easy" ports at
night!

Really!!! the whole ocean is filled with them... clogging entry to "easy"
ports? Did you pick up their rotting hulks on your sounder? How many are
just outside your marina? Did that guy you screamed at one day when you
were exiting your breakwater... you know the one that's 100 meters wide...
because he was blocking your exit, know about all these sunken obstacles to
safe entry??

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

CM

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Ha ha mmmmmmmmm, I'm starting to get a clearer picture of boob**** on a
boat, and it ain't pretty.

SV

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| ALWAYS be OVERLY careful when entering a strange port...especially at
night.

Yeah Bob.. but there's careful and then there's frightened because you
realize you don't know what you're doing...

| The ocean is filled with sunken boats who swept into "easy" ports at
night!

Really!!! the whole ocean is filled with them... clogging entry to "easy"
ports? Did you pick up their rotting hulks on your sounder? How many are
just outside your marina? Did that guy you screamed at one day when you
were exiting your breakwater... you know the one that's 100 meters wide...
because he was blocking your exit, know about all these sunken obstacles
to
safe entry??

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
|
| Here is a story about the last guy I know who stormed into the night
| relying on his GPS and charts......
| http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...244562366.html

Hardly the same thing Oz... and he should have brought the vessel to a dead
stop immediately upon updated coordinates indicating he was not where he
should be. They were racing.... using only GPS. I'm certain if they had been
running a hand plot and compass bearing, speed, time calcs enroute... they
would have had reason for concern from conflicting data.

| Oh and radar won't plot submerged rocks and shoals.

First off.. they hit a 3 meter rock awash! They heard it! ... Secondly..
they had no Radar or it would have shown a location different from the GPS
in regards to the shoreline. Oh ... the reason you might use radar to plot
your location relative to the shore is to guage your triangulation fix
'relative' to the submerged rocks on the chart.

| You guys will throw away all credibility just to have an argument.

The only one here showing any lack of credibility is yourself Oz! The reason
your ears are ringing is because Bob just farted ...again! ;-)

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| And while I'm making my victory lap....

You stumbled yet again and called in this 'eyewitness" testimony to your
failings as a sailor.

|
| ...lsailed in flukey winds yesterday with a friend who's done quite a few
| crossings and sailed all of the world. Told him about our little weekend
trip
| and he was impressed that snip pretentious hallucinations of situations
and quotes that cannot be substantiated


Yeah... sure he did Bob! Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa! .....and 2 days ago I
talked to a couple of psychiatrists sailing from the USA that thought I was
charming, sensitive and very kind. Bwahahahahahahahaaaaa


| Congrats again to my wife! Sorry, Mooron. That's who you've really been
| attacking and you've been proven wrong through and through.

So... it comes down to this does it Bob! First you brag about how it was
your doing ... and when the water starts to boil... you blame your wife!? If
it was your wife... with very little sailing experience and far fewer hours
on a sailboat... let alone navigation... she did a fine job! You on the
other hand... after years of experience and ongoing boast of how great a
sailor you are.... can't navigate, can barely sail.... and won't offer your
supposed "experience" to assist your mate!! You can't navigate and are a
poor excuse for a sailor Bob! That's a Fact!

Billy Jane was
| either dead wrong or never even sailed into Port Jeff at night. I doubt he
has,
| seeing how he daysails.
| See you in Norwalk this weekend, Jane!

I take it Suzanne is navigating and in charge.... in case you don't make
it?

Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!

CM

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"Donal" wrote in message
...

| However, now that you bring it up, what time was high water on the night
| that you went there?

Isn't that just Typical!!! No chart, just a cruising Guide, spot checks on
GPS because his batteries were dying.... what makes you think he was even
aware of a tide?

CM

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It's obvious he has the "skill" to eat them... a whole lot of them! I bet
he weighs in at 280 lbs on the dockside weigh scale!
Holy Halibut!..... What a catch!

CM



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| He's already admitted he hasn't the skill to do donuts.
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote ...
| Whatever do you do when you encounter a moving hazard... like
| another vessel??? Panic and pull doughnuts???
|
|
|
|
|

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It's been great, guys!
And I won on every point, even proving it when you all doubted the text!
You can continue to troll away. But you're in the nets where you'll stay.
I'm off for fresh trolling grounds!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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Don't be like that Bob.... we all know how you like to 'fabricate' your
reports.

Regarding any claims of a net... better check again... seems like you're
looking out! .... and I'm lookin' In!
I've been delaying closing the purse sein so as to leave you a way of
getting out by either leaping over the top in a truthful post or diving deep
and squirming out the bottom like you're used to.... but you just keep
swimming at one level in an endless circle as the net tightens.

CM



"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
|
| It's been great, guys!
| And I won on every point, even proving it when you all doubted the text!
| You can continue to troll away. But you're in the nets where you'll stay.
| I'm off for fresh trolling grounds!
|
| Bwahahahaha!
|
| RB

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you like to 'fabricate' your
reports..

Yeah? Guess I fabricated those pics and entry from the LIS cruising guide!!!
Boo hoo!!!

Bwahahaha!

RB

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

| However, now that you bring it up, what time was high water on the
night
| that you went there?

Isn't that just Typical!!! No chart, just a cruising Guide, spot checks
on
GPS because his batteries were dying.... what makes you think he was even
aware of a tide?

You don't really think that he could be dumb enough to enter a difficult
harbour without knowing the state of the tide???

Hmmmm ... you might be right ... [gulp]

C'mon Robert! What time was HW when you entered P. Jeff.?


Regards


Donal
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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Sorry! You lose again! And we're homing in on a far better boat than
yours...and faster!

Bobsprit admits that my boat is better than his POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WOOOOOooo HOOOOooooo!

New Sig coming up!

Regards


Donal
--
"we're homing in on a far better boat than yours...and faster!"

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C'mon Robert! What time was HW when you entered P. Jeff.?

What's the point of this troll? Even if I didn't know, I could look it up.
Try harder, Donal. VERY lame, even compared to Mooron's efforts which still got
him cooked!

RB

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Sorry! You lose again! And we're homing in on a far better boat than
yours...and faster!

Bobsprit admits that my boat is better than his POS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I said FAR better. My current boat is only modestly better.
I guess I should just let you win one. It's getting pretty sad!

Bwahahahahahaa!

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
C'mon Robert! What time was HW when you entered P. Jeff.?

What's the point of this troll? Even if I didn't know, I could look it up.
Try harder, Donal. VERY lame, even compared to Mooron's efforts which
still got
him cooked!

Trust me.... there is a point.

I find it remarkable that you cannot figure it out.

Anyway, look it up, and I'll explain.


Regards


Donal
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I'm off for fresh trolling grounds!

Are you leaving for the 4th time? Keep moving.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

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I told you... he hasn't a clue! Most people would remember the tidal
specifics if they had to make "several passes" to locate a harbour
entrance... and then boast as to how safe they were by obeying the cruising
guide while ignoring basic navigation.

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| C'mon Robert! What time was HW when you entered P. Jeff.?
|
| What's the point of this troll? Even if I didn't know, I could look it
up.
| Try harder, Donal. VERY lame, even compared to Mooron's efforts which
| still got
| him cooked!
|
| Trust me.... there is a point.
|
| I find it remarkable that you cannot figure it out.
|
| Anyway, look it up, and I'll explain.
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Ahhh I see your problem, You have a distinct lack of understanding of
| your native tongue. You could try remedial reading classes but at your
| age they may be wasted.

I understood him fine... maybe it's your comprehension that's being
compromised by the current location of your head...... ???

I'm certain you are as familiar with the remedial procedure required to
regain your comprehension.... as you were when you first abandoned it..;-)

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Jeez, and he'd never been there so he played safe at 2am on a dark
| night.
| Please tell me what's wrong with that?

Have you seen the chart? It's obvious that "several passes" would only be
required if you didn't know where you were or what you were doing. I'm
certain it's a situation you are very familiar with.

Try 2 second flashing green and 2 second flashing red at the entrance...
then lit red & green on the opposing jetties on the entrance. Then a 100
meter wide entrance!.... straight in!! Oh yeah... that needs "several
passes".... maybe he was waiting for an escort in?

Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Oh sorry, did I miss the "APPLAUSE" board?

It was probably on account of Bob flexing his sphincter after he read the
post!

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Ahh so you understand that "eventually" does not have a number
| attached?
| Or did you not comprehend the word?

No ... eventually denotes a possiblity. Which is not evident by the type or
method of sailing and total lack of comprehension shown to date by Bob. So
in effect.. you stand corrected... as usual!

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Yep, it stands 3 metres above MHW and is black granite..

Colour is a moot point at night or for Radar.

| AFA Bubbles is concerned, as I've said before, erring on cautions side
| when unsure is a good thing.

May I point out that Bob has been overdosing on trepidation for many years.
While caution is wise.... Bob has a keen ability to take it to the
ridiculous end of the spectrum.


| BTW there is an entrance up Nth of here where the leads visible from
| well offshore
| will take you right over a sandbar. There is an ill defined chanel lit
| bu one small buoy on the end of that bar. You must run down near the
| shore, take a dig out to sea behind the bar then line up with the
| leads and turn in. Further in you pick up another set of leads that
| guide you thru the very narrow channel. Very tricky and has caught out
| many a confident man and one woman, usually those with plenty of miles
| coming in actoss the Pacific/Tasman from NZ, or the Sth Pacific
| Islands.

Yes Oz... there are many "tricky" entries in lots of places. Reference to
charts, being aware of the tides and dare I say it... verification of
seafloor topography between charted depths and sounder readings ;-).... all
assist in making port safely, in a timely manner. If you combine the above
with Radar and GPS it becomes fairly obvious that with basic mathematical
skills and some navigational understanding... a comprehensive picture of
what is required to access the destination can be formulated in short order
|
| There is always good reason for caution entering an unknown port at
| night....as you well know.....I suspect.

Caution... yes of course... but that is far removed from the abject fear
and panic of uncertainty due to poor preparation and lack of a fundamental
understanding in regards to basic navigation as exemplified by Bob.


CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| You know the entrance well?

No I viewed it online.... it is clearly marked and defined. Go look for
yourself.

| Is it crowded in there? Lots on lights on the shore?

Obviously not at 0200hrs... and since when do shorelights count when not in
the background... or have you never considered alternate approaches?

|
| Yep very familiar with caution, I'm never in a hurry to enter a port
| or channel I don't know.

Be cautious as compared to making "several passes" in a panic due to not
having a clue where you are..... are different ends of the spectrum. It
seems you have a problem with this aspect!

CM

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I told you... he hasn't a clue! Most people would remember the tidal
specifics if they had to make "several passes" to locate a harbour
entrance... and then boast as to how safe they were by obeying the
cruising
guide while ignoring basic navigation.


Bob has described the entrance as follows:-
"In approaching Port Jefferson from any direction, it is wise to keep
offshore
and watch the chart carefully, as there are outlying rocks and shouls The
entrance is narrow and there is apt to be a strong tidal current in or out.
An
experienced cruising man warns that:
Sometimes a really dangerous sea makes up outside and between the jetties on
the ebb tide. Entering is possible at all times, providing some care is
taken.
Another experienced cruiser feels this is too strong a statement. Suffice it
to
say, treat it with respect."

Anybody approaching such a port for the first time - and at night - would
make sure that the knew what state the tide was going to be.

There are shoals so, in darkness, I would prefer to approach on a rising
tide. I would also avoid HW-4 to HW-2 if practical.

One thing is absolutely certain. I *would* know the state of the tide.

Bobsprit didn't even know *why* I asked about the time of HW!!!!!


Regards


Donal
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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...

Jeez, and he'd never been there so he played safe at 2am on a dark
night.
Please tell me what's wrong with that?


How on Earth can you believe that he was playing safe when he doesn't even
understand why the state of tide would be important?

They couldn't find the entrance. It's as simple as that!

Either their GPS was out of action, or they didn't have a decent chart of
the area.


They were LOST.



Regards


Donal
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Don't fret...I've clobbered these clowns with total abandon!

So far they've said:

Ignore local cruising guides.
Don't take care before entering a strange port at night.
Flashing markers end any confusion for entering a port at night.

Once I reduced them to these types of dopey comments, it was all over. Then it
was really over when I posted the info from NE Coast Cruising Guide! But
remember, Billy Jane says I was NEVER at Port Jeff or the Thimbles! Donal
thinks I hired a captain! Mooron thinks my trip was spoiled by the 2nd pass at
Port Jeff and ignoring bottom contours!
Oh...and Billy Jane hailed me between 2:20 and 2:30!

Bwahahahahahahaha!

RB