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The facts as reported speak for themselves.... the follow ups and multiple
refusals to answer questions only substantiate Bob's inability to comprehend
navigation. In a sound well equipped vessel he proved to have difficulty
negotiating entry to a clearly marked harbour when all the latest
navigational tools were aboard.

It places his skill level at an all time low... and yet his pride fails to
allow him to understand that fact.

CM




"SkitchNYC" wrote in message
...
| Hmmm. As I indicated earlier, we had charts (Chart Kit/BBA/LIS), used ICW
our
| Garmin GPS-Map 76. While the GPS map worked accurately, suzanne prefered
the
| detail afforded by the charts. We also have quite a few big charts in
| addition
| to the kit, but they're a bit ungainly.
| I await your next lie, gentlemen! Imagine...it's come to this! I have all
of
| YOU lying now!
|
| I'm not lying. I read that you had only a guidebook and if this is true
it is
| silly on your part. Also, I would venture that your earlier post about
how
| bright Port Jeff is is a bit of an exaggeration. Those plant lights that
look
| like the lights in Close Encounters are all red, bright, flashing and 100'
feet
| high. Anyone who could confuse them with buoy lights should be in a
mental
| ward and not a sailboat. You make out the ferry (which you can't even
see
| from the Sound) as if it were an aircraft carrier. I can see now that the
| posting I missed has been an extended exchange of hyperbole.

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Oz, are you really going to carry on supporting this rubbish?

You were there?

Worse! Skitch just admitted that the Ferry is there. He says you can't see the
lights from outside, which is not true. As we entered we could see the ferry
and the mini-treatment center.

RB

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I know that!
.....but, Bob quoted it! Why did Bob quote it? Duh!

because Mooron and Billy Jane questioned that the comments on entering Port
Jeff don't exist.
They were proven wrong.
Now they can question whoever wrote the book, but I see no reason not to
observe a well regarded text currently in it's 14th edition and carried by
many. It's a great addition to charts and GPS. It even gives VHF contact info.
The guide was how we got the free mooring in Morris Cove.

RB

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they've just dug themselves deeper and deeper.

RB

You gonna need a backhoe to fill in that hole they dug!

Not at all. They'll just go on posting this same comments again and again. They
think that if they continue to put a bend in the fishing pole, the battle is
still on.
Sadly, it's over and they lost. Mooron's best "attack" was about me forgetting
the batteries for the GPS which was pretty silly of me, but effected nothing.
The return trip was Line of sight all the way.

RB

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Thing is Bubbles is at pains to admit that he is NOT an expert and
gets howled down for that admission.

Quite so. I'm no master sailor. I'm still learning. But it's clear that I have
the right attitude to sail safely and sober.
Next season will be the Martha's Vineyard trip, which we are super-thrilled
about. Still not a "major" voyage, but the best we can plan for while Suzanne
is still in school.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| But I'm afraid we used charts (sniffle) and a GPS (boo hoo), but no radar.

So now you state you didn't use the radar....
bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

It is working isn't it?

CM

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So now you state you didn't use the radar....
bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!

It is working isn't it?

Yup, works great. For most of the night we had it one to look out for storms.
It was not needed to make the entrance. While Suzanne is learning basic nav,
the radar may confuse things since we're pretty new to it.
We entered port jeff, after observing the comments in the LIS guide using GPS
and chart only.

RB

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Uh, that's like saying Mooron drinks once in a while.


"The Captains Basterd" wrote


Thing is Bubbles is at pains to admit that he is NOT an expert

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Must you ask boobs for permission before you speak, or does he just give a
squeeze when it's your turn?



"The Captains Master" wrote

If that was true, then it shows good qualities in the skipper.
Pass off the job to someone who you have confidence can do the job
well or better than yourself.

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So you had a fully functional radar and didn't use it to easily confirm your
entry... instead you utilized a chart and GPS with an accuracy of 60
meters?????


Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!!!!

What a display of total incompetence Bob!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| So now you state you didn't use the radar....
| bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!
|
| It is working isn't it?
|
| Yup, works great. For most of the night we had it one to look out for
storms.
| It was not needed to make the entrance. While Suzanne is learning basic
nav,
| the radar may confuse things since we're pretty new to it.
| We entered port jeff, after observing the comments in the LIS guide using
GPS
| and chart only.
|
| RB

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Must you ask boobs for permission before you speak, or does he just give a
squeeze when it's your turn?

I like it when they squirm! Failing to gain an inch, these poor sods thing Ozzy
will gype just because he's in a "brief) alliance with me! Said alliance is
really nothing of the sort. Ozzy doesn't need to play "pile on" to gain the
upper hand. When it's "me" against the whole group I generally win anyway.
Ozzy is man enough to stand his ground and has bashed the lot of you. If
anything, he's had his biggest win here ever in this regard...except when he
robbed that poor yank by taking his money in a disreputable deal.

RB

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Yeah Okay Bob.... will you be turning off the radar at any critical point to
"avoid" confusion???


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!


CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Bwaaaahahahahhahahahahaaaa!
| Keep hold of that line Bubbles, this fish is starting to fight now
| he's realised the hook is set!
|
| There's no sport in it anymore....same jump and wiggle each time. I have
the
| drag all the way down.
| Ahh well. It was fun while it lasted. Next week we're going to
Norwalk...and
| we're entering at night, if we can leave early enough.
| Otherwise we'll just stay aboard Friday and sail over Saturday morning.
| Pics of that sail to be posted as well.
|
| RB

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"The Captains Basterd" wrote
You gonna need a black hoe to fill in


Sudzy?

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So you had a fully functional radar and didn't use it to easily confirm your
entry... instead you utilized a chart and GPS with an accuracy of 60
meters?????

Uh oh, this is a juicy one!!! Now Mooron says I NEED radar to make a safe night
entry!

RB

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Yeah Okay Bob.... will you be turning off the radar at any critical point to
"avoid" confusion???

You don't start basic nav learning with radar...or do you? Wow, you actually
made a BIGGER fool of yourself!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Hmmm maybe you should look again!

I'd advise you likewise.... this time break out a book to assist you in
identifying shoals and rocks awash. None of which will be found anywhere
near the approach unless you are wading in the surf along the beach.

How deep is the Misery Shoal Oz???? Ha Ha Ha

CM

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Should we also ignore the fact that the Fat Buffoon claims to be 3 times the
sailor of most everybody here?



"The Captains Basterd" wrote

Well yeah, just ignore the fact that Bubbles had charts.
Ignore the fact that "chartlets" are not for navigation, they just
help clarify.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| So you had a fully functional radar and didn't use it to easily confirm
your
| entry... instead you utilized a chart and GPS with an accuracy of 60
| meters?????
|
| Uh oh, this is a juicy one!!! Now Mooron says I NEED radar to make a safe
night
| entry!

Oh this is a juicy one!! Now Bob now claims I said he needed a radar...
which he just admitted confuses him!

No Bob..... I didn't say that.. nor implied it... I was just amazed you
can't figure out how to use something as simple as Radar! Even better you
claimed it confuses you!!! So you shut it off when it was a very reliable
and valuable tool in night time navigation!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaa

CM

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Ignore the fact the Cruising Guide he claims to have had... has no
"chartlets"...

CM

"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...
| On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:41:30 -0300, "Capt. Mooron"
| wrote:
|
| Finally another voice of reason and further information on Bob's Big
| Adventure!
|
| Well said Skitch!!
|
| CM
|
| Well yeah, just ignore the fact that Bubbles had charts.
| Ignore the fact that "chartlets" are not for navigation, they just
| help clarify.
| And oh, what's the hurry...Is it always necessary to get where you're
| going as fast as possible using tidal assist? Not for me its not.
| when I race I race after the gun goes no matter what the tide, when I
| cruise I sail when I want to and note the tide when I anchor.
|
|
|
| "SkitchNYC" wrote in message
|
| | I have that cruising guide. It is not just "LIS" but rather all of New
| | England, and while venerable and charming and informative about
shopping
| in
| | port, it is not very good for navigation. It has no chartlets in it
and
| | information often is inconsistent with reality. I am amazed that anyone
| would
| | set out for an unfamiliar port armed only with it and without proper
| charts. A
| | copy of Eldridge would also be wise to predict the current and tide not
| only
| | for that inlet, but also to take advantage of (or avoid) the currents
| available
| | along that entire trip.
|
|
|
|
| Oz1...of the 3 twins.
| I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.
|
|

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''gain an inch'', ''alliance'', ''play pile on'', ''win''??????? This NG
must be the closest thing boob**** has ever come to playing a real sport.

And he thinks he's wining.............he he he ha ha

Scotty



"Bobsprit" wrote
I like it when they squirm! Failing to gain an inch, these poor sods thing
Ozzy
will gype just because he's in a "brief) alliance with me! Said alliance
is
really nothing of the sort. Ozzy doesn't need to play "pile on" to gain
the
upper hand. When it's "me" against the whole group I generally win anyway.
Ozzy is man enough to stand his ground and has bashed the lot of you. If
anything, he's had his biggest win here ever in this regard...except when
he
robbed that poor yank by taking his money in a disreputable deal.

RB

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Even worse..... Oz thinks he's on the "winning team".

Facts illustrate clearly they are both on the "Whining Team"...

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| ''gain an inch'', ''alliance'', ''play pile on'', ''win''??????? This NG
| must be the closest thing boob**** has ever come to playing a real sport.
|
| And he thinks he's wining.............he he he ha ha

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
| Bwaaahaahhhahahhahahahaaaaa!
| He's already said he's still learning to use it.

Pathetic!... I had radar down in a week. It's easy! As easy as a GPS!
|
| You ever get confused by clutter and ghosts when you first started
| using radar Mooron?

No... never confused. Read the book and practised.... then again I showed
enough interest to learn.


| I have and frankly wouldn't trust myself to navigate with it, little
| use here in the land of sand sun and flies.

Why doesn't that surprise me!

CM

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Found the rocks yet Dopey?


You look at the chart yet ?

Didn't think so...

CM

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he'd be much better off asking Mooron for advice instead of playing his
little assinine game. It wasn't that long ago that boobs had his lips on
Moorons' butt.

Scotty

"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:44:46 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote:

Must you ask boobs for permission before you speak, or does he just give
a
squeeze when it's your turn?

Nah, I just listen for the thump as he puts the boot into Mooron yet
again :-)


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

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I should be in bed now, but I'm just so nervous about sailing tomorrow I
can't sleep . What if I hit a rock? Will I be able to see the markers? What
if my GPS battery goes dead? How many passes at an entrance are needed to
be considered safe? Ohhhhhhhhhhh I wish I had radar!!!!! Or a good
cruising guide!!!!!

Scotty (Young Grog)


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Even worse..... Oz thinks he's on the "winning team".

Facts illustrate clearly they are both on the "Whining Team"...

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| ''gain an inch'', ''alliance'', ''play pile on'', ''win''??????? This
NG
| must be the closest thing boob**** has ever come to playing a real
sport.
|
| And he thinks he's wining.............he he he ha ha

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So you shut it off when it was a very reliable
and valuable tool in night time navigation!

So you ARE suggesting that I use radar while Suzanne learns basic navigation?
That's what I thought.

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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Oz is just angry... be it with me or the world..... I can easily deal with
that level of strained attack.. He started with name calling and still
reverts to it when his temper can't be kept in check. He was hoping this
alliance with Bob would benefit him in his retaliation... it ain't workin
out so good ... that just makes him even angrier!

Allow him his rants and tantrums Scott..... if nothing else it provides me
momentary diversions while constantly dunking Bob into the briny deep of his
complete incompetence.

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
| he'd be much better off asking Mooron for advice instead of playing his
| little assinine game. It wasn't that long ago that boobs had his lips on
| Moorons' butt.
|
| Scotty
|
| "The Captains Master" wrote in message
| Nah, I just listen for the thump as he puts the boot into Mooron yet
| again :-)

The Final Blow.. it just gets better...
 

you got the 'trots'?

Lucky for you boobs doesn't.


"The Captains Master" wrote
Trot trot trot,

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Yeah Bob... radar is pretty basic stuff. As simple as GPS.... I can't see
the problem.

You don't START with radar. First you learn chart basics, compass, taking a
bearing and so on. When you can do all that, then you play with the GPS...and
then you can fool with radar.
It's not needed for navigation on the LIS. But it's already proven handy for
bad weather.

RB

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Poor Mooron, he's tough, many others would have just died on the line
from exhaustion.

Tough, but dumb.

RB

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Oz is just angry... be it with me or the world..... I can easily deal with
that level of strained attack.

Apparently not! You're being "attacked?" Are you "winning?"

Bwahahahaha!

RB

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Desperation has surfaced, he's now in a state of panic at the thought
that he's been shown to be foolish.

He has been. And the gallery, shocked by the turn of events is mostly quiet.
You can bet that if I was in Mooron's place I'd be catching hell from the whole
group!

RB

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Yes Bob... I'm certainly going to suggest you use Radar... that is I would
if you knew how to read a radar screen.... while Suzanne is "learning basic
navigation"... especially at night... most certainly in unfamiliar waters
and most definitely in conjunction with a chart.

Think confirmation.... I understand that's a difficult concept for you.

CM




"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| So you shut it off when it was a very reliable
| and valuable tool in night time navigation!
|
| So you ARE suggesting that I use radar while Suzanne learns basic
navigation?
| That's what I thought.
|
| Bwahahahaha!
|
| RB

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"The Captains Master" wrote in message
| What's with the 60 metres?
| Pretty much worst case, even worst case puts hand helds within
| 100metres 95% of the time and within 48 metres 50% of the time.
| My Magellan is consistently within 5 metres.

Sure Oz.... 5 meters! Bwahahahahahahahahaaaa

Figure out the ghosts on your radar yet?

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Oz is just angry... be it with me or the world..... I can easily deal
with
| that level of strained attack.
|
| Apparently not! You're being "attacked?" Are you "winning?"
|
| Bwahahahaha!

Obviously ..Yes!

Learn to operate your radar yet?

Bwahahahahahahahaa!

CM

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Yes Bob... I'm certainly going to suggest you use Radar... that is I would
if you knew how to read a radar screen.... while Suzanne is "learning basic
navigation"... especially at night... most certainly in unfamiliar waters
and most definitely in conjunction with a chart.

Why? Few boats on the LIS even bother with radar. We certainly didn't need it
to make a perfectly safe entry.
Mooron, with charts and compass you can go anywhere. You don't "need"
radar...or at least we don't. It came with the boat.

RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Desperation has surfaced, he's now in a state of panic at the thought
| that he's been shown to be foolish.
|
| He has been. And the gallery, shocked by the turn of events is mostly
quiet.
| You can bet that if I was in Mooron's place I'd be catching hell from the
whole
| group!


Ha ha Ha... that's just too cute.... the losers chuckling in the corner
about how my hand must hurt from the constant slapping I've delivered them.

CM

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"Bobsprit" wrote
You can bet that if I was in Mooron's place I'd be catching hell from the
whole
group!

for not drinking with them?

for being a limp wristed panty waste?

for being such a big fat loud mouthed slob?

for being a big fat loud mouthed prick?

????????????

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I started with radar as well as the rest of it Bob... I can't see how it can
be so confusing since you are totally ignorant of any of them.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Yeah Bob... radar is pretty basic stuff. As simple as GPS.... I can't see
| the problem.
|
| You don't START with radar. First you learn chart basics, compass, taking
a
| bearing and so on. When you can do all that, then you play with the
GPS...and
| then you can fool with radar.
| It's not needed for navigation on the LIS. But it's already proven handy
for
| bad weather.
|
| RB

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Poor Mooron, he's tough, many others would have just died on the line
| from exhaustion.
|
| Tough, but dumb.

This comment from someone who is confused by a radar screen..... and can't
navigate a clearly marked channel.

CM