I told you... he hasn't a clue! Most people would remember the tidal
specifics if they had to make "several passes" to locate a harbour
entrance... and then boast as to how safe they were by obeying the cruising
guide while ignoring basic navigation.

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| C'mon Robert! What time was HW when you entered P. Jeff.?
|
| What's the point of this troll? Even if I didn't know, I could look it
up.
| Try harder, Donal. VERY lame, even compared to Mooron's efforts which
| still got
| him cooked!
|
| Trust me.... there is a point.
|
| I find it remarkable that you cannot figure it out.
|
| Anyway, look it up, and I'll explain.
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|

"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Ahhh I see your problem, You have a distinct lack of understanding of
| your native tongue. You could try remedial reading classes but at your
| age they may be wasted.

I understood him fine... maybe it's your comprehension that's being
compromised by the current location of your head...... ???

I'm certain you are as familiar with the remedial procedure required to
regain your comprehension.... as you were when you first abandoned it..;-)

CM

"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Jeez, and he'd never been there so he played safe at 2am on a dark
| night.
| Please tell me what's wrong with that?

Have you seen the chart? It's obvious that "several passes" would only be
required if you didn't know where you were or what you were doing. I'm
certain it's a situation you are very familiar with.

Try 2 second flashing green and 2 second flashing red at the entrance...
then lit red & green on the opposing jetties on the entrance. Then a 100
meter wide entrance!.... straight in!! Oh yeah... that needs "several
passes".... maybe he was waiting for an escort in?

Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!

CM

"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Oh sorry, did I miss the "APPLAUSE" board?

It was probably on account of Bob flexing his sphincter after he read the
post!

CM

"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Ahh so you understand that "eventually" does not have a number
| attached?
| Or did you not comprehend the word?

No ... eventually denotes a possiblity. Which is not evident by the type or
method of sailing and total lack of comprehension shown to date by Bob. So
in effect.. you stand corrected... as usual!

CM

"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| Yep, it stands 3 metres above MHW and is black granite..

Colour is a moot point at night or for Radar.

| AFA Bubbles is concerned, as I've said before, erring on cautions side
| when unsure is a good thing.

May I point out that Bob has been overdosing on trepidation for many years.
While caution is wise.... Bob has a keen ability to take it to the
ridiculous end of the spectrum.


| BTW there is an entrance up Nth of here where the leads visible from
| well offshore
| will take you right over a sandbar. There is an ill defined chanel lit
| bu one small buoy on the end of that bar. You must run down near the
| shore, take a dig out to sea behind the bar then line up with the
| leads and turn in. Further in you pick up another set of leads that
| guide you thru the very narrow channel. Very tricky and has caught out
| many a confident man and one woman, usually those with plenty of miles
| coming in actoss the Pacific/Tasman from NZ, or the Sth Pacific
| Islands.

Yes Oz... there are many "tricky" entries in lots of places. Reference to
charts, being aware of the tides and dare I say it... verification of
seafloor topography between charted depths and sounder readings ;-).... all
assist in making port safely, in a timely manner. If you combine the above
with Radar and GPS it becomes fairly obvious that with basic mathematical
skills and some navigational understanding... a comprehensive picture of
what is required to access the destination can be formulated in short order
|
| There is always good reason for caution entering an unknown port at
| night....as you well know.....I suspect.

Caution... yes of course... but that is far removed from the abject fear
and panic of uncertainty due to poor preparation and lack of a fundamental
understanding in regards to basic navigation as exemplified by Bob.


CM

"The Captains Master" wrote in message

| You know the entrance well?

No I viewed it online.... it is clearly marked and defined. Go look for
yourself.

| Is it crowded in there? Lots on lights on the shore?

Obviously not at 0200hrs... and since when do shorelights count when not in
the background... or have you never considered alternate approaches?

|
| Yep very familiar with caution, I'm never in a hurry to enter a port
| or channel I don't know.

Be cautious as compared to making "several passes" in a panic due to not
having a clue where you are..... are different ends of the spectrum. It
seems you have a problem with this aspect!

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I told you... he hasn't a clue! Most people would remember the tidal
specifics if they had to make "several passes" to locate a harbour
entrance... and then boast as to how safe they were by obeying the
cruising
guide while ignoring basic navigation.


Bob has described the entrance as follows:-
"In approaching Port Jefferson from any direction, it is wise to keep
offshore
and watch the chart carefully, as there are outlying rocks and shouls The
entrance is narrow and there is apt to be a strong tidal current in or out.
An
experienced cruising man warns that:
Sometimes a really dangerous sea makes up outside and between the jetties on
the ebb tide. Entering is possible at all times, providing some care is
taken.
Another experienced cruiser feels this is too strong a statement. Suffice it
to
say, treat it with respect."

Anybody approaching such a port for the first time - and at night - would
make sure that the knew what state the tide was going to be.

There are shoals so, in darkness, I would prefer to approach on a rising
tide. I would also avoid HW-4 to HW-2 if practical.

One thing is absolutely certain. I *would* know the state of the tide.

Bobsprit didn't even know *why* I asked about the time of HW!!!!!


Regards


Donal
--

"The Captains Master" wrote in message
...

Jeez, and he'd never been there so he played safe at 2am on a dark
night.
Please tell me what's wrong with that?


How on Earth can you believe that he was playing safe when he doesn't even
understand why the state of tide would be important?

They couldn't find the entrance. It's as simple as that!

Either their GPS was out of action, or they didn't have a decent chart of
the area.


They were LOST.



Regards


Donal
--

Don't fret...I've clobbered these clowns with total abandon!

So far they've said:

Ignore local cruising guides.
Don't take care before entering a strange port at night.
Flashing markers end any confusion for entering a port at night.

Once I reduced them to these types of dopey comments, it was all over. Then it
was really over when I posted the info from NE Coast Cruising Guide! But
remember, Billy Jane says I was NEVER at Port Jeff or the Thimbles! Donal
thinks I hired a captain! Mooron thinks my trip was spoiled by the 2nd pass at
Port Jeff and ignoring bottom contours!
Oh...and Billy Jane hailed me between 2:20 and 2:30!

Bwahahahahahahaha!

RB