Still no one!
 

And still no one has detected the most obvious defect in the pic!!! I'm amazed
and dissapointed.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tuesday.jpg

RB

Still no one!
 

Having the boat is anchored at both ends and the wind on the port beam makes
it it heel, but it isn't actually sailing.

Hoobily doobily doo?

RB

Still no one!
 

There looks to be an
unused fairlead on the starboard side of the coach roof, near the fender.

More than one. The boom vang is removed.

RB

Still no one!
 

Is the radar scan head counterbalanced so that it stays level?

Say what????

bwahahahahaha!

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Is the radar scan head counterbalanced so that it stays level?

Say what????

It would appear to be level with the horizon, which the boat isn't. If it
doesn't self-level, does that mean that the mountings are loose?


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

It would appear to be level with the horizon, which the boat isn't. If it
doesn't self-level, does that mean that the mountings are loose?

It's a Questas self leveling hydrolic mount.

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

It would appear to be level with the horizon, which the boat isn't. If it
doesn't self-level, does that mean that the mountings are loose?

It's a Questas self leveling hydrolic mount.

I see.


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

The car for
the port jibsheet looks to be in the middle of the track, while the
starboard sheet looks to be coming down to the forward end of the track -
were you furling and unfurling with every tack/gybe?

Yup...but means nada. We were adjusting them before and after the pic.

Why?


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

It's a Questas self leveling hydrolic mount.

I see.

Note that the mount is level when the boat is heeled. Works well. I spent some
time practicing reading the radar yesterday.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/sailsuz21.jpg

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Yup...but means nada. We were adjusting them before and after the pic.

Why?

Because we're sailing.

I thought the adjustment of the jibsheet fairleads was to account for the
size of the jib (to get the pull balanced between the foot and leech). If
you had the foresail furled to 120, shouldn't you have the cars set to an
appropriate position along both tracks and leave them there until you
furl/unfurl?


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

Wouldn't it work as well if it
was just swinging under its own weight, perhaps with a damped movement?

It's damped by the fluid chambers. In fact, when the boat heels suddenly, the
mount pivots slowly until level.

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Wouldn't it work as well if it
was just swinging under its own weight, perhaps with a damped movement?

It's damped by the fluid chambers. In fact, when the boat heels suddenly,
the
mount pivots slowly until level.

Oh, right - it's not an hydraulic drive, then (which was what I thought you
meant)? Neat idea all the same. Is the scanner one of those types with a
narrow vertical propagation?


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

I thought the adjustment of the jibsheet fairleads was to account for the
size of the jib (to get the pull balanced between the foot and leech).

Correct. Before and after the pic we were messing with them. A few pics can't
show overall trim for a sail. In both pics we are far too high to begin with.
Suzanne is not experienced and I told her to do all the trim herself with no
comment from me. She hoisted, set and sailed while I just enjoyed the cool
breeze.
I think this is a good thing to try, short of singlehanding. She's a bit shy of
docking. We're waiting for a quiet day for her to practice.

RB

RB

Still no one!
 

Is the scanner one of those types with a
narrow vertical propagation?

Honestly, I know very little about Radar, but I'm learning. Yesterday I spent a
bit of time with it (and the manual) while Suzanne sailed.

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

I thought the adjustment of the jibsheet fairleads was to account for the
size of the jib (to get the pull balanced between the foot and leech).

Correct. Before and after the pic we were messing with them. A few pics
can't
show overall trim for a sail. In both pics we are far too high to begin
with.
Suzanne is not experienced and I told her to do all the trim herself with
no
comment from me. She hoisted, set and sailed while I just enjoyed the cool
breeze.

"we were messing with them"? "all the trim herself"?

She didn't think to set both cars the same distance along their rails? What
did she think they're for if she chose to adjust one in any case? I've only
ever sailed dinghies with fixed fairleads and even I know what they're for.


I think this is a good thing to try, short of singlehanding.

Indeed.


She's a bit shy of
docking. We're waiting for a quiet day for her to practice.

I haven't sailed anything that size, but I know it's satisfying to sail a
16' dinghy up to a pontoon with perfect speed to stop alongside. No engine,
no paddling, no jumping off with a hand on a shroud to bring the boat to a
stop, just judging when to drop the sails to let the momentum take you in.


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Is the scanner one of those types with a
narrow vertical propagation?

Honestly, I know very little about Radar, but I'm learning. Yesterday I
spent a
bit of time with it (and the manual) while Suzanne sailed.

There are two types, so far as I'm aware. The one with a narrow vertical
propagation pattern is suited to motorboats becuase they don't heel. If that
type was used on a sailboat, the output would be firing into the surface of
the water on one side, and into the sky on the other. So, there's a type
with a wider vertical propagation pattern which helps to ensure that land
and other craft are still within the scanning area of a heeling sailboat.

The type with the narrow propagation has, I believe, better range for a
given power because the pattern has inherently less dissipation.



--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

"we were messing with them"? "all the trim herself"?

She + messed with them + me watching = WE.

RB

Still no one!
 

I haven't sailed anything that size, but I know it's satisfying to sail a
16' dinghy up to a pontoon with perfect speed to stop alongside.

Yup. Learned how to do that on a friends J30. But sailing into a crowded and
very active slip area is not usually a great idea.

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

I haven't sailed anything that size, but I know it's satisfying to sail a
16' dinghy up to a pontoon with perfect speed to stop alongside.

Yup. Learned how to do that on a friends J30. But sailing into a crowded
and
very active slip area is not usually a great idea.

I can imagine it would be quite scary with boats that are big, expensive and
slow to stop. But you rarely get busier than an entire dinghy race fleet all
trying to get onto the slipway at the same time. :-)


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

"we were messing with them"? "all the trim herself"?

She + messed with them + me watching = WE.

I accept that your earlier post was semantically ambiguous.


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

I can imagine it would be quite scary with boats that are big, expensive and
slow to stop.

I tend to worry about the "other guy" more. You just never know what will panic
some poor sailor or powerboater...then they do something really dumb.
I never assume that the other sailor/driver has a clue.

RB

Still no one!
 

Bob it's a great idea if you know how to sail and can handle your boat. It's
the crowning mark of a competent sailor to be able to sail to the dock....
even in an active area. I've taken a 46 ft Charter boat in the BVI's to dock
under sail and did a perfect job of it... several 90 degree turns and a
tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses. [ Like how often will that
happen when you don't screw something up]

I recommend that you keep the engine on and have the sheets to hand with
someone on the halyard when practicing.

CM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| I haven't sailed anything that size, but I know it's satisfying to sail a
| 16' dinghy up to a pontoon with perfect speed to stop alongside.
|
| Yup. Learned how to do that on a friends J30. But sailing into a crowded
and
| very active slip area is not usually a great idea.
|
| RB

Still no one!
 

Bob it's a great idea if you know how to sail and can handle your boat. It's
the crowning mark of a competent sailor to be able to sail to the dock....
even in an active area.

I can sail any boat to the dock and stop her on a dime, fenders gentley kissing
the dock. Still, safe sailing is a better idea. I know that people get nervous
on other boats and they may do something dangerous.
No accidents or injuries after nearly 9 years of sailing!

Capt RB

Still no one!
 

several 90 degree turns and a
tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses.

I'm afraid I don't require eyewitnesses to know that my boat handling is
superb.

RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

I can imagine it would be quite scary with boats that are big, expensive
and
slow to stop.

I tend to worry about the "other guy" more. You just never know what will
panic
some poor sailor or powerboater...then they do something really dumb.
I never assume that the other sailor/driver has a clue.

Yup, a safe perspective to have. It surprises me how few (if any) bumps
there are between dinghies when they're at such close quarters.


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

Yup, a safe perspective to have. It surprises me how few (if any) bumps
there are between dinghies when they're at such close quarters.

Dinghy sailors DO have a clue most of the time. It's the big boats and their
owners who are cause for defensive tactics.

RB

Still no one!
 

I understand that the abundance of photos you post of sailing is for our
enjoyment and not to validate your abilities Bob...... BUT........ Mr.
Murphy will insist that each time you dock under sail flawlessly there will
be none to witness the event... but should you screw up a dozen will be on
hand to share the joy. I just happened to be quite proud of the fact that I
not only docked a charter boat on which I had no previous experience in
close maneuvering... but I actually had the good fortune to do it while a
large group of people watched.

I merely commented because I know your past opinion on docking under sail
as being considered a dangerous and risky affair and not to be undertaken by
anyone. I'm glad experience has taught you different. Like MOB drills...
docking under sail drills are required to compliment a well rounded set of
sailing skills.


CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| several 90 degree turns and a
| tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses.
|
| I'm afraid I don't require eyewitnesses to know that my boat handling is
| superb.
|
| RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

Yup, a safe perspective to have. It surprises me how few (if any) bumps
there are between dinghies when they're at such close quarters.

Dinghy sailors DO have a clue most of the time.

I guess so. Being so small, they're quite vulnerable and, although the
occasional swim is part of dinghy life, going swimming isn't desired, as
such, and certainly not in a collision situation. One of my overriding
colregs when dinghy sailing is 'stay out of the way of the big boats'.


It's the big boats and their
owners who are cause for defensive tactics.

Why would that be? Does the owner's stupidity or arrogance increase with
boat size?


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Sailing into a berth!
 

What every, single,, solitary so-called sailor
does to ruin their docking under sail efforts
is to do it with the engine running, 'just in case'.

Nothing spoils a seamanlike job of sailing a
vessel into her berth while having that exhaust
outlet spurting water and smelly diesel fumes.

Real sailors don't need a motor running and at
the ready. There is only ONE reason for a motor
on a sailboat and that is when there is no wind.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
I understand that the abundance of photos you post of sailing is for our
enjoyment and not to validate your abilities Bob...... BUT........ Mr.
Murphy will insist that each time you dock under sail flawlessly there will
be none to witness the event... but should you screw up a dozen will be on
hand to share the joy. I just happened to be quite proud of the fact that I
not only docked a charter boat on which I had no previous experience in
close maneuvering... but I actually had the good fortune to do it while a
large group of people watched.

I merely commented because I know your past opinion on docking under sail
as being considered a dangerous and risky affair and not to be undertaken by
anyone. I'm glad experience has taught you different. Like MOB drills...
docking under sail drills are required to compliment a well rounded set of
sailing skills.


CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| several 90 degree turns and a
| tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses.
|
| I'm afraid I don't require eyewitnesses to know that my boat handling is
| superb.
|
| RB

Still no one!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

More than one. The boom vang is removed.

I'm surprised I didn't spot that, what with the trasnparent mast and the
super-hi-res photograph. (What on earth are you using for a digicam, anyway?
VGA res at least, please.)


--
Wally
I demand rigidly-defined areas of uncertainty!
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk

Still no one!
 

"Wally" wrote in message
...
"Bobsprit" wrote in message

It's the big boats and their
owners who are cause for defensive tactics.

Why would that be? Does the owner's stupidity or arrogance increase with
boat size?

In Bobsprit's case there is a definite corrrelation!



Regards


Donal
--

Still no one!
 

Suzanne let an idiot take steer her boat??


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And still no one has detected the most obvious defect in the pic!!! I'm
amazed
and dissapointed.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tuesday.jpg

RB

Sailing into a berth!
 

Of course Cappy..... but I was suggesting an engine on standby for the
inexperienced. Let's face it... if you are experienced and bother to turn on
the engine to sail to a slip... by-standers will think you are motorsailing
and using the engine to assist. The reason for sailing into a slip is
because it is a SAIL boat. It is meant to be sailed.

My engine hour meter stands at 6 hours total this year so far including
charging time. I sail from and to my mooring as well as the various slips at
the marina I was working at earlier. No commotion, no fuss..... just
performance and ability.

CM


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
|
|
| What every, single,, solitary so-called sailor
| does to ruin their docking under sail efforts
| is to do it with the engine running, 'just in case'.
|
| Nothing spoils a seamanlike job of sailing a
| vessel into her berth while having that exhaust
| outlet spurting water and smelly diesel fumes.
|
| Real sailors don't need a motor running and at
| the ready. There is only ONE reason for a motor
| on a sailboat and that is when there is no wind.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| I understand that the abundance of photos you post of sailing is for our
| enjoyment and not to validate your abilities Bob...... BUT........
Mr.
| Murphy will insist that each time you dock under sail flawlessly there
will
| be none to witness the event... but should you screw up a dozen will be
on
| hand to share the joy. I just happened to be quite proud of the fact
that I
| not only docked a charter boat on which I had no previous experience in
| close maneuvering... but I actually had the good fortune to do it while
a
| large group of people watched.
|
| I merely commented because I know your past opinion on docking under
sail
| as being considered a dangerous and risky affair and not to be
undertaken by
| anyone. I'm glad experience has taught you different. Like MOB drills...
| docking under sail drills are required to compliment a well rounded set
of
| sailing skills.
|
|
| CM
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| | several 90 degree turns and a
| | tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses.
| |
| | I'm afraid I don't require eyewitnesses to know that my boat handling
is
| | superb.
| |
| | RB
|
|
|
|

Sailing into a berth!
 

I certainly did not intend to cast aspersions in your
direction, sir. I realize that you represent one of the
two real sailors on this group. Would that there were
more of us represented here. You know, sailors who
are masters at what they do. So much so that backing
into a slip under sail is something that can be done
with 100% success no matter the wind and current
conditions.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Of course Cappy..... but I was suggesting an engine on standby for the
inexperienced. Let's face it... if you are experienced and bother to turn on
the engine to sail to a slip... by-standers will think you are motorsailing
and using the engine to assist. The reason for sailing into a slip is
because it is a SAIL boat. It is meant to be sailed.

My engine hour meter stands at 6 hours total this year so far including
charging time. I sail from and to my mooring as well as the various slips at
the marina I was working at earlier. No commotion, no fuss..... just
performance and ability.

CM


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
|
|
| What every, single,, solitary so-called sailor
| does to ruin their docking under sail efforts
| is to do it with the engine running, 'just in case'.
|
| Nothing spoils a seamanlike job of sailing a
| vessel into her berth while having that exhaust
| outlet spurting water and smelly diesel fumes.
|
| Real sailors don't need a motor running and at
| the ready. There is only ONE reason for a motor
| on a sailboat and that is when there is no wind.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
| I understand that the abundance of photos you post of sailing is for our
| enjoyment and not to validate your abilities Bob...... BUT........
Mr.
| Murphy will insist that each time you dock under sail flawlessly there
will
| be none to witness the event... but should you screw up a dozen will be
on
| hand to share the joy. I just happened to be quite proud of the fact
that I
| not only docked a charter boat on which I had no previous experience in
| close maneuvering... but I actually had the good fortune to do it while
a
| large group of people watched.
|
| I merely commented because I know your past opinion on docking under
sail
| as being considered a dangerous and risky affair and not to be
undertaken by
| anyone. I'm glad experience has taught you different. Like MOB drills...
| docking under sail drills are required to compliment a well rounded set
of
| sailing skills.
|
|
| CM
|
| "Bobsprit" wrote in message
| ...
| | several 90 degree turns and a
| | tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses.
| |
| | I'm afraid I don't require eyewitnesses to know that my boat handling
is
| | superb.
| |
| | RB
|
|
|
|

Still no one!
 

Your wife owns a pretty good camera.


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I'm surprised I didn't spot that, what with the trasnparent mast and the
super-hi-res photograph. (What on earth are you using for a digicam, anyway?
VGA res at least, please.)

Canon G3.


RB

Sailing into a berth!
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
There is only ONE reason for a motor
on a sailboat and that is when there is no wind.

Here are other reasons to run a motor...real sailors with proper engines only
of course!

1) Compromised rig
A real sailor rigs a jury rig.

2) Injury aboard
A real sailor prevents any and all injuries.

3) Charge batteries
A real sailor uses non-polluting photovoltaics.

4) Run engine to protect it from non-use.
Hah ah a ha hh ah ! That's the stupidest thing you have ever written!

5) Leaving slips or marinas that are overcrowded.
A real sailor sails as long as there is wind.

6) Aid to anchoring
A real sailor anchors under sail and sails his anchors out.

7) Make hot water.
A real sailor uses the sun to heat his water.

You sure revealed yourself as a dependent-upon-foreign-oil,
typical, liberal lubber with your list of reasons. You should be
ashamed of yourself.

Still no one!
 

Ugly woman driving.
Fender on the deck.
Port jib sheet is fouled against shrouds.
Jib backwinded (your note not mine)
Main looks like sh*t.
No PFD on ugly woman driving.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And still no one has detected the most obvious defect in the pic!!! I'm
amazed
and dissapointed.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tuesday.jpg

RB

Sailing into a berth!
 

He installed an Atomic 4.... no diesel fumes on his boat!

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


What every, single,, solitary so-called sailor
does to ruin their docking under sail efforts
is to do it with the engine running, 'just in case'.

Nothing spoils a seamanlike job of sailing a
vessel into her berth while having that exhaust
outlet spurting water and smelly diesel fumes.

Real sailors don't need a motor running and at
the ready. There is only ONE reason for a motor
on a sailboat and that is when there is no wind.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I understand that the abundance of photos you post of sailing is for our
enjoyment and not to validate your abilities Bob...... BUT........
Mr.
Murphy will insist that each time you dock under sail flawlessly there
will
be none to witness the event... but should you screw up a dozen will be
on
hand to share the joy. I just happened to be quite proud of the fact
that I
not only docked a charter boat on which I had no previous experience in
close maneuvering... but I actually had the good fortune to do it while
a
large group of people watched.

I merely commented because I know your past opinion on docking under
sail
as being considered a dangerous and risky affair and not to be
undertaken by
anyone. I'm glad experience has taught you different. Like MOB drills...
docking under sail drills are required to compliment a well rounded set
of
sailing skills.


CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| several 90 degree turns and a
| tight area with over a dozen eye witnesses.
|
| I'm afraid I don't require eyewitnesses to know that my boat handling
is
| superb.
|
| RB

Still no one!
 

Well, for you that's not saying much.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Is the scanner one of those types with a
narrow vertical propagation?

Honestly, I know very little about Radar, but I'm learning. Yesterday I
spent a
bit of time with it (and the manual) while Suzanne sailed.

RB

Still no one!
 

When you're that ugly, I suppose she takes what she can get.

"Ghost" wrote in message
. ..
Suzanne let an idiot take steer her boat??


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
And still no one has detected the most obvious defect in the pic!!! I'm
amazed
and dissapointed.

http://members.aol.com/bobsprit/images/tuesday.jpg

RB