On Dec 11, 8:17*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Dec 9, 6:12 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:





"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

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The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him
how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well
illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the
burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that
"It
Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men!

Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than
it
works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting
somebody
else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's
no
mistake about it.

Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent
attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example,
have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell
for
help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self..
This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above
anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom
they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who
DO
and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent.
Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by
asking, begging, whining or crying.

Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble
to
embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's
oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By
all
means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so,
it's
time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that
henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by
you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because
your
decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult
behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and
irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag
about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders
tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.

Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups
that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times
the
sailors these ******s are!"

Wilbur Hubbard

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No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local
sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students
in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are
laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as
much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur.
*At least you are man enough to admit it.

Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason.
I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why
would a person in command be required to know them?
Is it because the best sailors never use them?
What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them,
not all tax payes are sailors.

Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report?

Neal defines "failure" .
Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground
he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant.
It's true, he would never run aground.

Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses
them.

Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring"

Can you see a pattern here JL?

I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's
more manly to pretend.
He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing
what can happen to people that do Sail.

When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help
because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is
a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can
be a fisherman in May.

Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold
and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and
play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur.

"Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at
very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps
ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.”

Good Luck

Joe

My comment was in reply to ONLY the following:
"Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the
sailors these ******s are!"

IMHO, most *sail-boaters today are not sailors. *Most haven't been out of
sight of land, which is a good thing.

Is it a good thing?

As to my "confession" to taking 9/10 ten year old childrens' classes, I will
continue to do so 'till I know I will not be a danger to myself or others..
Why not? *

It's a good ideal, i'm going to re-new my ticket soon. I just thought
you were past the basics, two steps ahead of Wilbur.

It's a pretty good way to see if I really want, and can, return to
the sea. *After all it's been 38 years since I've been out of sight of land
on a small boat.

Last Oct, you could have hitched a ride on the Harvest moon regetta,
A nice ofshore trip to Port A. This time of year things slack off
offshore.

*I cannot even navigate with a sextant anymore, but a few
weeks of classes and maybe I'll be enthused enough to put in the effort to
re-learn.

GPS X 2 or 3 works good enough to get offshore.

As to finding a boat: *I would be happy for any leads for a crusier, 35-40
feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. * I will be down
after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. *There are hundreds
of boats available. *Have you seen the line up in San Leon?

What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? *Auctions?
brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? *Hanging out in pubs?+++- Hide quoted text -


Go to the marina offices as ask if they have any repos or deserted
boats. The owners that are not willing to pay to have the boat removed
are handing over titles to the marinas and condos. You can get a boat
for paying off whats owed the marina or contractor.

I know where a Gulf Coast 40 is that could be had for 15-20
Most the good auctioned boats have been had, the rest will require
refitting.

Baytown marina floating docks went over the pylons and many boats are
still in the woods next to the marina. Many will be insurance write
off and only need serious cosmetic work. If you see a boat you like..
tell the marina or tape a note to the boat.

You know about San Leon. There is a free 28ft something at Clear lake
marine center, needs work. Ask anyone at mockenbird marina.

I thought you were in the 30 ft mkt, they are a dime a dozen here..2k
average and many abandoned along NASA rd. Just look south and you will
see them. Tracking the owner and loading is the hard part.

If you had a patch of land to re-do a holed hull you could do very
well.

Walk the docks at the marinas and ask someone that looks like he lives
there. They usually know whats for sale.

Then hit the brokers last.

All the auction boats need work before heading offshore.

Joe

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"Joe" wrote in message
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All the auction boats need work before heading offshore.



Good advice. Most any boat needs work prior to heading offshore. How come
you didn't follow your own advice with Red Cloud. The rudder obviously
needed work as it wasn't up to the task. Why did you miss such an important
thing?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
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Wilbur Hubbard


A brilliant philosophy!

Wilbur/Neal,

Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms?

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


Why do you jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his own
horn.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:59:21 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
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Wilbur Hubbard


A brilliant philosophy!

Wilbur/Neal,

Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms?

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org



Because he can. That's what trolls do.


And, who else would agree with him?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Joe" wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 8:17 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:

Go to the marina offices as ask if they have any repos or deserted
boats. The owners that are not willing to pay to have the boat removed
are handing over titles to the marinas and condos. You can get a boat
for paying off whats owed the marina or contractor.


Joe

Thanks. Is there any problem getting legal title to repos or deserted
boats? I will be down in Jan...maybe I can buy you a drink?

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 8:17 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:

Go to the marina offices as ask if they have any repos or deserted
boats. The owners that are not willing to pay to have the boat removed
are handing over titles to the marinas and condos. You can get a boat
for paying off whats owed the marina or contractor.


Joe

Thanks. Is there any problem getting legal title to repos or deserted
boats? I will be down in Jan...maybe I can buy you a drink?

Please don't. The poor fellow has enough trouble functioning when he's
sober. If he's as inept at drinking as he is at sailing, one drink will put
him under the table. . .

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
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Wilbur Hubbard


A brilliant philosophy!

Wilbur/Neal,

Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms?

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


Why do you jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot his
own
horn.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So answer
the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you jump to
false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
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Wilbur Hubbard


A brilliant philosophy!

Wilbur/Neal,

Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms?

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


Why do you jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot
his own
horn.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So
answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you
jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under
fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're
hiding your tracks. You're not.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
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Wilbur Hubbard


A brilliant philosophy!

Wilbur/Neal,

Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms?

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


Why do you jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot
his own
horn.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So
answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you
jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under
fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're
hiding your tracks. You're not.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


Huh? Check all the Wilbur Hubbard posts you care to and you'll find they all
are posted using Octanews as far back as you wish to check.

Momsen posts using Altopia. Gregory Hall uses Altopia. Maybe Gregory is a
Momsen sock or vice versa.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:10:35 -0600, Geoff Schultz
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
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Wilbur Hubbard


A brilliant philosophy!

Wilbur/Neal,

Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms?

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org


Why do you jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nothing false about it. You're just a sick puppy who likes to toot
his own
horn.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Maybe so, but I'm not a Momsen sock or vice versa as you claimed. So
answer the question why don't you instead of side-stepping. Why do you
jump to false conclusions?

Wilbur Hubbard

How many rounds do you want to go with this? You keep posting under
fradualant names using different free newservers and think that you're
hiding your tracks. You're not.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

Wilbur/Neal/Ellen/Gregory, etc is not Momsen

Two different puppeteers