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The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how
to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Sure and begorrah! Well said, Captain! A breath of fresh air across the mead. -- Shad O'Shay |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth. |
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On Dec 9, 6:12*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur. At least you are man enough to admit it. Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason. I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why would a person in command be required to know them? Is it because the best sailors never use them? What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them, not all tax payes are sailors. Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report? Neal defines "failure" . Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant. It's true, he would never run aground. Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses them. Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring" Can you see a pattern here JL? I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's more manly to pretend. He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing what can happen to people that do Sail. When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can be a fisherman in May. Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur. "Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.” Good Luck Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 6:12 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur. At least you are man enough to admit it. Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason. I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why would a person in command be required to know them? Is it because the best sailors never use them? What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them, not all tax payes are sailors. Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report? Neal defines "failure" . Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant. It's true, he would never run aground. Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses them. Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring" Can you see a pattern here JL? I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's more manly to pretend. He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing what can happen to people that do Sail. When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can be a fisherman in May. Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.” You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur. "Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.” Good Luck Joe My comment was in reply to ONLY the following: "Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" IMHO, most sail-boaters today are not sailors. Most haven't been out of sight of land, which is a good thing. As to my "confession" to taking 9/10 ten year old childrens' classes, I will continue to do so 'till I know I will not be a danger to myself or others. Why not? It's a pretty good way to see if I really want, and can, return to the sea. After all it's been 38 years since I've been out of sight of land on a small boat. I cannot even navigate with a sextant anymore, but a few weeks of classes and maybe I'll be enthused enough to put in the effort to re-learn. As to finding a boat: I would be happy for any leads for a crusier, 35-40 feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. I will be down after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. There are hundreds of boats available. Have you seen the line up in San Leon? What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? Auctions? brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? Hanging out in pubs?+++ |
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message ... feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. I will be down after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. There are hundreds of boats available. Have you seen the line up in San Leon? What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? Auctions? brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? Hanging out in pubs?+++ My experience says that your first stop should be the internet, especially if you have some sort of idea of what you want, as I did. Then you can narrow the list down to boats that seem reasonable prospects and start sending a few e-mail asking pertinent questions. Check out who is selling-is it the owner? if so, expect some exaggeration of the boats qualities. If it is a broker, check if they have the boat at their location for sale as this means that at least they will have seen it. Some brokers list boats they have never seen and this is a waste of your time. Get the broker who has the boat in his location as he should be able to answer questions. You can weed out a lot of unsuitable boats and save yourself much trouble without leaving home, always provided you know enough about boats to read between the lines of some of the hype. |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men! Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no mistake about it. Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging, whining or crying. Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails. Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy, dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the sailors these ******s are!" Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in
: Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Why do you jump to false conclusions? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message
.. . "Charles Momsen" wrote in : Wilbur Hubbard A brilliant philosophy! Wilbur/Neal, Why do you keep posting under pseudonyms? -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Because he can. That's what trolls do. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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