The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him how
to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well illustrates
the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the burgeoning
socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It Takes a
Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men!

Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it
works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody
else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no
mistake about it.

Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent
attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example, have
no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for help
and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self. This
situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above anything
else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom they don't
begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO and asking
how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent. Successful sailors
are those who have honed their skills by doing not by asking, begging,
whining or crying.

Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to
embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's
oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all
means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's
time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that
henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by you
and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your
decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult behavior?
No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and irresponsible. Real
sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag about it with your
whining, begging and revelations of your blunders tending to unnecessary and
ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.

Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the
sailors these ******s are!"


Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him
how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well
illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the
burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It
Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men!

Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it
works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody
else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no
mistake about it.

Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent
attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example,
have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for
help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self.
This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above
anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom
they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO
and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent.
Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by
asking, begging, whining or crying.

Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to
embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's
oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all
means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's
time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that
henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by
you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your
decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult
behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and
irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag
about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders
tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.

Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the
sailors these ******s are!"


Wilbur Hubbard



Sure and begorrah! Well said, Captain! A breath of fresh air across the
mead.


--

Shad O'Shay

In article , Shad O'Shay wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety,
to get around the kill-files, eh? Well, I'll let you into a little
something, it's easier to add a sock-puppet to a KF than it is for you
to create a new account. You keep wasting your time, that's fine, 'cos
you'll not be wasting mine.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

"Justin C" wrote in message
...
In article , Shad O'Shay wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety,
to get around the kill-files, eh? Well, I'll let you into a little
something, it's easier to add a sock-puppet to a KF than it is for you
to create a new account. You keep wasting your time, that's fine, 'cos
you'll not be wasting mine.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.


And YOU didn't just waste your time posting what you just did? He hee!
Go ahead, use your filters to your little heart's content. But why brag
about it? Insecure?

Cheers,
Gwen Ives

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:57:10 -0000, Justin C
wrote:

In article , Shad O'Shay wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety,
to get around the kill-files, eh? Well, I'll let you into a little
something, it's easier to add a sock-puppet to a KF than it is for you
to create a new account. You keep wasting your time, that's fine, 'cos
you'll not be wasting mine.

Justin.


A day or two ago I was walking down the jetty from my tour of the
marina trying to justify Wilbur's assertion that REAL SAILORS used
hanked on headsails (not true) when I passed a 28 - 30 ft. sloop with
a 15 H.P. outboard slung on the back and realized that it must be
similar to Wilbur's yellow canoe (as someone christened it). Except
that I knew the history of this boat. Home built in Italy, sailed
through the Med to Greece where it cruised for two years and then on
through the Red Sea and Indian Ocean to Thailand.

Proving for all the world to see that the only thing preventing Wilbur
from becoming a world cruiser is a total lack of testicular fortitude.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Justin C" wrote in message
...
In article , Shad O'Shay wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety,
to get around the kill-files, eh?


Proof?

Harry Harris


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"Harry Harris" wrote in news:8586
:


"Justin C" wrote in message
...
In article , Shad O'Shay wrote:

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

So, using your sock puppets to re-post your missive's in their entirety,
to get around the kill-files, eh?


Proof?

Harry Harris

And yet another one of Wilbur/Neal's sock puppets. One just has to know
enough about the Internet to trace the offender.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him
how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well
illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the
burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It
Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men!

Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it
works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody
else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no
mistake about it.

Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent
attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example,
have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for
help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self.
This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above
anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom
they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO
and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent.
Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by
asking, begging, whining or crying.

Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to
embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's
oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all
means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's
time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that
henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by
you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your
decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult
behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and
irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag
about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders
tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.

Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the
sailors these ******s are!"


Wilbur Hubbard

Ain't it the truth.

On Dec 9, 6:12*am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

anews.com...



The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him
how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well
illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the
burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that "It
Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men!

Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than it
works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting somebody
else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's no
mistake about it.

Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent
attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example,
have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell for
help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self.
This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above
anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom
they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who DO
and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent.
Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by
asking, begging, whining or crying.

Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble to
embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's
oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By all
means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so, it's
time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that
henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by
you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because your
decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult
behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and
irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag
about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders
tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails..

Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the
sailors these ******s are!"

Wilbur Hubbard

Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local
sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students
in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are
laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as
much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur.
At least you are man enough to admit it.

Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason.
I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why
would a person in command be required to know them?
Is it because the best sailors never use them?
What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them,
not all tax payes are sailors.

Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report?

Neal defines "failure" .
Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground
he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant.
It's true, he would never run aground.

Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses
them.

Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring"

Can you see a pattern here JL?

I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's
more manly to pretend.
He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing
what can happen to people that do Sail.

When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help
because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is
a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can
be a fisherman in May.

Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold
and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and
play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur.

"Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at
very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps
ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.”

Good Luck

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Dec 9, 6:12 am, "jlrogers±³©" wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message

anews.com...



The thread were some clumsy lubber is asking everybody else to tell him
how to retrieve an unnecessary object that went by the boards well
illustrates the current sad state of affairs which exists respecting the
burgeoning socialist thinking in the sailing community. It seems that
"It
Takes a Village" even to sail these days. Friggin' liberal girly-men!

Get a clue people! Socialism doesn't work when sailing any better than
it
works in economics. Sailing by committee or sailing by expecting
somebody
else to do it all for you is just another form of socialism and there's
no
mistake about it.

Sailing is successfully done only via those who embody an independent
attitude. People like the crew of the sunken "Red Cloud," for example,
have no business even boarding a boat. Their first tendency is to yell
for
help and the last thing on their minds is a consummate belief in self.
This situation is untenable. Successful sailors believe in self above
anything else (other than God Almighty who is the ONLY entity from whom
they don't begrudge asking for help). Successful sailors are people who
DO
and asking how to do and begging others to do for them is abhorrent.
Successful sailors are those who have honed their skills by doing not by
asking, begging, whining or crying.

Successful sailors believe in simple is better. It's asking for trouble
to
embrace complication over simplicity when it comes to plying the world's
oceans under sail. But, nevertheless, that is a personal decision. By
all
means, choose complication if that is your wont. But, having done so,
it's
time to live with the consequences of your choice. Any problems that
henceforth arise should be viewed realistically and should be handled by
you and you alone. What's with this crap of begging for help because
your
decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? Is that adult
behavior? No it is not. That kind of thing is so very childish and
irresponsible. Real sailors abhor irresponsibility, yet you openly brag
about it with your whining, begging and revelations of your blunders
tending to unnecessary and ignorant complications such as wind-up sails.

Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups
that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times
the
sailors these ******s are!"

Wilbur Hubbard

Ain't it the truth.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No it's not the truth JL, but seein's you confess to attending a local
sailing school here that is packed full of 9 and 10 year old students
in the summer. And the fact you can't find a free boat when they are
laying all around the lake. It's easy to understand you have about as
much real sailing experience as Neal aka Wilbur.
At least you are man enough to admit it.

Sailors of the 18th century sailed in fleets for a reason.
I can think of over a half dozen international distress signals. Why
would a person in command be required to know them?
Is it because the best sailors never use them?
What about light houses? Seems like socialism, tax payers bought them,
not all tax payes are sailors.

Have you ever seen a shipping causuality report?

Neal defines "failure" .
Neal sits on a hook and rags people that do. If someone runs aground
he shouts to everyone that he would never do something so ignorant.
It's true, he would never run aground.

Since he could never afford roller furlers, he rags everyone who uses
them.

Since he can not design a boat, he calls those that do "Boring"

Can you see a pattern here JL?

I suspect neal had a traumatic experience sailing and decided it's
more manly to pretend.
He's bitter about it, so now had a need to stroke his ego by pointing
what can happen to people that do Sail.

When Neal (Wilbur) states "Whats this crap about Begging for help
because your decision has caused you problems you didn't expect? " is
a prime example of his lack of pratical experience at sea. Anyone can
be a fisherman in May.

Neals seamanship and true ability is firmly anchored " with those cold
and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

You can find a thousand reasons not to cast off, you can roll over and
play it safe and never risk anything but becoming another Wilbur.

"Criticism is a study by which men grow important and formidable at
very small expense. He whom nature has made weak, and idleness keeps
ignorant, may yet support his vanity by the name of a critic.”

Good Luck

Joe

My comment was in reply to ONLY the following:
"Take any sailor from the 18th century and have him listen to the idiocy,
dependency and childishness of most of the discussion in these groups that
passes as legitimate by those who fancy themselves sailors and he would
shake his head, spit and exclaim, "Blimey! Our cabin boy is ten times the
sailors these ******s are!"

IMHO, most sail-boaters today are not sailors. Most haven't been out of
sight of land, which is a good thing.

As to my "confession" to taking 9/10 ten year old childrens' classes, I will
continue to do so 'till I know I will not be a danger to myself or others.
Why not? It's a pretty good way to see if I really want, and can, return to
the sea. After all it's been 38 years since I've been out of sight of land
on a small boat. I cannot even navigate with a sextant anymore, but a few
weeks of classes and maybe I'll be enthused enough to put in the effort to
re-learn.

As to finding a boat: I would be happy for any leads for a crusier, 35-40
feet that wouldn't require re-fitting to leave the bay. I will be down
after the first of the year to begin looking seriously. There are hundreds
of boats available. Have you seen the line up in San Leon?

What do you think is the best approach to finding the best deal? Auctions?
brokers? Boat trader? re-po'+s? Hanging out in pubs?+++