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steen bondo wrote:
http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg With fully laden sea kayaks on a trip, which can be very heavy, I never try to lift the overturned boat over another to empty it. I simply right the boat, get the paddler back in and pump out the cockpit - minimises the time the paddler is in the water and most of the time there isn't all that much water i nthe cockpit to empty either. I feel trying to lift heavy boats on a bumpy sea can damage kit and people! |
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Hi there,
http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg Could I have a few comments to this rescue, please. I'll keep my own opinion to myself just now. It's supposed to be a roughwater-rescue. hilsen / regards -- steen - kajakparadis.dk X filshuse-teltplads.dk --- |
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steen bondo wrote:
http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg Could I have a few comments to this rescue, please. I'll keep my own opinion to myself just now. It's supposed to be a roughwater-rescue. I've done quite a few practises but have never had this one suggested. The only extent the swimmer climbs onto the rescuers kayak as I've tried it is as an aide in getting back into their own boat directly. Seems rather less contrived. Though we've emptied the boats I take Keith's point about weight. We don't load the boats before going swimming in the local harbour, so next time I'll have to see how well it works to just get back in and get pumping with the rescuer rafter alongside for stability. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Peter Clinch wrote:
http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg Seems rather less contrived. Agree. My suggestion would be to let the swimmer hang on to his stern (if needed he can push down). I'd only pull the 'wet' boat about 1/3 up (to a stable position, leaving 2/3 of the weight on the water.), then I would let the swimmer climb (ladder) in from his stern. Of course I let the boat slip gently back into the water - no reason to take it all the way over. As you both pointed out, I too find the stress on the boats tremendous! hilsen / regards -- steen - kajakparadis.dk X filshuse-teltplads.dk --- |
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The only justification I could see for at least part of this is if the
swimmer is underdressed for the water temperature and needs to get out. Why they drag a hull--full of water! It doesn't get emptied until step 3-- over the rescuer's lap and why the rescuee couldn't get back in with the boat in the water, I have no idea. At first i thought maybe having the swimmer on your deck could help you pull the boat up if it were loaded, but i don't think even the two of them could pick up a loaded boat like that. And if weight is the issue, why not dump it first? Also looks like a nice way to slice a skirt. Steve steen bondo wrote: Hi there, http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg Could I have a few comments to this rescue, please. I'll keep my own opinion to myself just now. It's supposed to be a roughwater-rescue. |
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Never seen the ladder idea. I'll have to try that. Thanks.
Steve steen bondo wrote: My suggestion would be to let the swimmer hang on to his stern (if needed he can push down). I'd only pull the 'wet' boat about 1/3 up (to a stable position, leaving 2/3 of the weight on the water.), then I would let the swimmer climb (ladder) in from his stern. Of course I let the boat slip gently back into the water - no reason to take it all the way over. |
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cramersec wrote:
[cut] Also looks like a nice way to slice a skirt. Couldn't have said it better. The rescue is part of a new syllabus here in DK - obviously I don't like it at all. hilsen / regards -- steen - kajakparadis.dk X filshuse-teltplads.dk --- |
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steen bondo wrote: cramersec wrote: [cut] Also looks like a nice way to slice a skirt. Couldn't have said it better. The rescue is part of a new syllabus here in DK - obviously I don't like it at all. It's quite an effective rescue done between playboats. It has the advantage that the swimmer uses his/her legs instead of arms to do most of the work, so an overweight/understrong swimmer can be reunited with their boat. In a playboat, you usually have a flat front deck, which gives a nice step. When the swimmer is an adult, it gets interesting, because the rescuer's boat goes nearly vertical, but the swimmer's boat is then supported by the water, and the rescue can still be made to work. Key point is asking the swimmer to use their arms to take some of the weight off their feet/your boat. And, yes, you do need a reinforced spraydeck. hilsen / regards -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire http://www.nckc.org.uk/ |
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"cramersec" wrote: I really want to see that done, as it's hard to visualize. The front deck of, just to pick one, the Jackson AllStar is about 18" long (~.5 m.). The boat is 24" wide. Assuming an AllStar rescuing another AllStar on the deck and skirt, that leaves, what, 6" of the point of the bow to sit on? I'm afraid my bum is too big. The swimmer's boat is across the cockpit, not the front deck. This means there is quite a lot of deck sticking out. The rescruer leans right back as the swimmer starts to climb onto the rescuer's front deck, acting as a counterweight. Also I wasn't clear on that you meant by "the swimmer uses his/her legs instead of arms to do most of the work". Which work is that? Not the picking up of several gallons of water plus boat onto the deck, that's arm work for both of them. In a conventional rescue the swimnmer pulls themself out of the water onto their boat using almost entirely arm muscles. Unless the swimmer happens to be someone who does a lot of kayaking, they don't have the upper body strength to do that. If they are a kayaker, the need for rescue is remote. Next time I'm in the pool, I'll sit on the front of a playboat and see what happens. Should be fun. Remember to get the occupier of the boat to lean back. Also remember the bouyancy provided by the second boat. It is critical to the success of this form of rescue. As I might not have said explicitly, the rescuer has to weigh at least as much as the swimmer, unless the swimmer is very light. It does work between two children. Wait, maybe I can see it. Swimmer climbs on deck, making rescue boat vertical. Both pull swimmer's boat across between them, making a vertical cross (+). Swimmer falls off backwards, rescuer's boat drops to flat, leaving swimmer's boat on his deck, upside down and drained. Might require swimmer to grasp a bow loop with his toes, but it could work. Steve Alan Adams wrote: It's quite an effective rescue done between playboats. It has the advantage that the swimmer uses his/her legs instead of arms to do most of the work, so an overweight/understrong swimmer can be reunited with their boat. In a playboat, you usually have a flat front deck, which gives a nice step. When the swimmer is an adult, it gets interesting, because the rescuer's boat goes nearly vertical, but the swimmer's boat is then supported by the water, and the rescue can still be made to work. Key point is asking the swimmer to use their arms to take some of the weight off their feet/your boat. And, yes, you do need a reinforced spraydeck. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire http://www.nckc.org.uk/ |
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steen bondo wrote: Alan Adams wrote: advantage that the swimmer uses his/her legs instead of arms to do most of the work, so an overweight/understrong swimmer can be reunited with their boat. It takes quite a lot of arm-strength to get up on the bow in the first place that seakayaks doesn't drop their nose like a playboat, under load. Not to mention the round shape is rather hard to stay on. It doesn't work too well in old-style general purpose boats for the same reason - too much front buoyancy, and a round surface. hilsen / regards -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire http://www.nckc.org.uk/ |
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