Hi there,

http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg

Could I have a few comments to this rescue, please. I'll keep my own
opinion to myself just now. It's supposed to be a roughwater-rescue.

hilsen / regards
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steen bondo wrote:

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With fully laden sea kayaks on a trip, which can be very heavy, I never
try to lift the overturned boat over another to empty it.

I simply right the boat, get the paddler back in and pump out the
cockpit - minimises the time the paddler is in the water and most of the
time there isn't all that much water i nthe cockpit to empty either.

I feel trying to lift heavy boats on a bumpy sea can damage kit and
people!

steen bondo wrote:

http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg

Could I have a few comments to this rescue, please. I'll keep my own
opinion to myself just now. It's supposed to be a roughwater-rescue.

I've done quite a few practises but have never had this one suggested.
The only extent the swimmer climbs onto the rescuers kayak as I've tried
it is as an aide in getting back into their own boat directly. Seems
rather less contrived.

Though we've emptied the boats I take Keith's point about weight. We
don't load the boats before going swimming in the local harbour, so next
time I'll have to see how well it works to just get back in and get
pumping with the rescuer rafter alongside for stability.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch wrote:

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Seems rather less contrived.

Agree.

My suggestion would be to let the swimmer hang on to his stern (if
needed he can push down). I'd only pull the 'wet' boat about 1/3 up (to
a stable position, leaving 2/3 of the weight on the water.), then I
would let the swimmer climb (ladder) in from his stern. Of course I let
the boat slip gently back into the water - no reason to take it all the
way over.

As you both pointed out, I too find the stress on the boats tremendous!

hilsen / regards
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Never seen the ladder idea. I'll have to try that. Thanks.

Steve

steen bondo wrote:

My suggestion would be to let the swimmer hang on to his stern (if
needed he can push down). I'd only pull the 'wet' boat about 1/3 up (to
a stable position, leaving 2/3 of the weight on the water.), then I
would let the swimmer climb (ladder) in from his stern. Of course I let
the boat slip gently back into the water - no reason to take it all the
way over.

The only justification I could see for at least part of this is if the
swimmer is underdressed for the water temperature and needs to get out.
Why they drag a hull--full of water! It doesn't get emptied until step
3-- over the rescuer's lap and why the rescuee couldn't get back in
with the boat in the water, I have no idea.

At first i thought maybe having the swimmer on your deck could help you
pull the boat up if it were loaded, but i don't think even the two of
them could pick up a loaded boat like that. And if weight is the issue,
why not dump it first?

Also looks like a nice way to slice a skirt.

Steve

steen bondo wrote:
Hi there,

http://kayakparadise.dk/gfx/image006.jpg

Could I have a few comments to this rescue, please. I'll keep my own
opinion to myself just now. It's supposed to be a roughwater-rescue.

cramersec wrote:

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Also looks like a nice way to slice a skirt.

Couldn't have said it better.

The rescue is part of a new syllabus here in DK - obviously I don't like
it at all.

hilsen / regards
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steen bondo wrote:

cramersec wrote:

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Also looks like a nice way to slice a skirt.

Couldn't have said it better.

The rescue is part of a new syllabus here in DK - obviously I don't like
it at all.

It's quite an effective rescue done between playboats. It has the
advantage that the swimmer uses his/her legs instead of arms to do
most of the work, so an overweight/understrong swimmer can be reunited
with their boat.

In a playboat, you usually have a flat front deck, which gives a nice
step.

When the swimmer is an adult, it gets interesting, because the
rescuer's boat goes nearly vertical, but the swimmer's boat is then
supported by the water, and the rescue can still be made to work. Key
point is asking the swimmer to use their arms to take some of the
weight off their feet/your boat.

And, yes, you do need a reinforced spraydeck.


hilsen / regards


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