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Bouler added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
snip I never can get a licence, only when I am a member of a "shootingclub". But I'm not so fond of guns. In Michigan prior to maybe 8 years ago, a private citizen had to show a legitimate need for firearm protection because of their line of work. For example, a free lance PI (Private Investigator), someone who works for a company that may be attacked and needs a privately owned weapon, or similar things. They just didn't let any yahoo carry a Dirty Harry around. But, Republican Gov. John Engler who was a big believer in the presumed 2nd Amendment's right to "keep and bear arms" took advantage of a friendly legislature to push through a general leniency of the permit to buy a handgun and a FAR more lenient law, the one I already talked about, for getting a CCW. I make no comment on what he did, but suffice to say that we are now in the same position as traditional gun states such as the Far West and Old South. So, do I interpret your brief comment to basically mean that The Netherlands has a much stricter law to obtain a CCW license, maybe like Michigan used to have? Yes thats what I meant. OK, thanks. -- HP, aka Jerry "If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck" |
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"HEMI-Powered" schreef in bericht ... Do you mean "not necesarily" or "not necessary"? The former means you disagree with my thesis while the latter means you're not interested in talking about this anymore. Sorry, but this time I can't follow your English. We have a sayïmng he "A small hole does a large ship sink". Like the Titanic, right? Well I think that was not a small hole;-) That is possible with language too. I simply meant I'm not interested in several story's about sueïng and and how things ended. Sorry for writing a word wrong so it had a total different meaning. I think I once said "English is a language that is hard to understand but easy to misunderstand". The original author is believed to be George Bernard Shaw. The Urban legend: "Dryïng a cat in the microwave" The cat died and the microwavefactory is sued because it was not in the disclamer;-) This was a joke Jerry, Urban Ledgends never happened. How can anyone tell? By definition, urban legends are exactly the same as rumors - completely believable yet impossible to either prove or disprove. My wife just bought a bottle of some liquid from the DMSO, Inc. company which her best friend swears is an outstanding spray or wipe on topical pain killer, yet there are NO ingredients list whatsoever and NO suggested uses cited. Moreover, the "instructions" explicity say "do not apply to skin, eyes, or clothing, do not inhale or swallow or use in any way not specifically mentioned on this label. This product is strictly a solvent and should be used as such with no express or implied warranty as to any fitness of purpose whatsoever." Now, I am aware of a powerful drug call DMSO, which means DiMethylsSulfOxide, and comes in 50ml bottes by physician prescription only, and has the only function to attempt to relieve pain caused by bladder IC (Interstitial Cystitis). DMSO is inserted into the bladder by a temporary urinary catheter and is held in for as long as possible until the burning gets too much for the patient to bear. Guess how I know this? Maybe by expierience? So, the DMSO, Inc. company CLEARLY knows this and has probably put distilled water in the bottle without even a flavor or aroma in the hopes that sufferers of anything at all might shell out six bucks for it, and yet the company attempts to indemnify itself from any legal liabililty for use or misuse. A better example is this one, in my baileywick [sp?]: Ford has been sued to the tune of billions of dollars, most of which is still in litigation, for Ford Explorer SUV roll-over accidents once it became apparent it was somewhat unstable and even more so when somebody figured out that its Firestone tires were more vulnerable to handling problems than other brands. Plaintiffs sued on the grounds that Ford and Firestone knew of the defective handling and tendency to roll over yet dragged their feet for serveral years before they even tried to fix it. Here's the most outrageous one I'm aware of that I think is still winding its way on the way to the Supreme Court: Some Michigan woman traveling over 85 mph on rain and rainy snow on a limited access highway has to brake hard and change lanes violently to avoid hitting another vehicle. The Explorer rolls over multiple times and lands in the median strip. She is kills but NOT by the trauma of the rollover. She was not belted and was ejected out the driver's door window and killed when the Explorer literally rolled OVER her. Then, after the police investigated, it was found she was driving on a license suspended for too many speeding violations! Wait, it gets FAR worse! Ford damn near beat the first round lawsuit by bringing in expert witnesses and its own MVSS certification engineers and did a computer simulation and ejection at that speed would have been fatal even if the vehicle had NOT rolled on top of her, but if she HAD been fully belted with the combined lap and shoulder belts, the forces could be proven on a proving grounds crash simulator to be LESS than fatal. So, the plaintiff's family's attorney said that Ford should have made the window glass strong enough to keep her in the car! Now it really gets ludicrous because Ford them brought in expert witnesses and proved that even if it were technically feasible to put strong enough glass in the door - which it is NOT - the blunt force trauma of whacking a piece of 1" or more thick glass would have instantly killed the woman just from a cranial injury to the brain. And, the jury STILL returned a verdict of guilty for Ford and awarded something over $150 million in ordinary and punitive damages to the woman's estate! This was over 10 years ago, I know that Ford appealed but lost and I think has managed to tie this up in court ever since. Now, Ford also has several HUNDRED lawsuits still pendind, a couple of dozen of which are so-called class-action suits involving multiple plaintiffs and multiple injuries and deaths. Sorry to dive off the high board on the technical crash engineering stuff but it is the only way to explain how truly egegious this is. So, please clarify what your sentence meaning is and how you'd like to proceed here, if you do at all. Thanks, Bouler. Wow what one word can do;-( Lets stop talking about these things Jerry, they are to complicated for me and I'm not interested enough. GRIN Be careful of what you wish for, Bouler, you may get it (that is, you may imply or appear to imply that you are asking a question or making a comment and someone like me will come along and write a major paper on the subject). I know by now, but I did not ask for it. BTW the Ford story proves the insane forms of suïng. The lady was driving very dangerous, so its simply her own fault and not Fords, but still Ford has to pay a crazy lot of money. Nobody in The Netherlands will sue a company for such an accident. A small reply is enough, please don't snow me under againgrin -- Greetings Bouler (The Netherlands) |
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Bouler added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
We have a sayïmng he "A small hole does a large ship sink". Like the Titanic, right? Well I think that was not a small hole;-) And, I think that you don't know how to think and I also think that you don't know anything at all about the Titanic and can't even figure out which way a ship moves when the rudder is turned in either forward or astern steaming. [snip] Maybe by expierience? Of course, by experience, moron! And, I have a LOT more of it than you will ever fathom! Good word for this NG, huh? Now, how about using some of your feeble brain cells that haven't been polluted yet by idiotic political views and at least learn how to turn on Outhouse Expresso's spell checker. I think I have enough of words, sentences and paragraphs I can barely decipher, they are so badly written. GRIN Be careful of what you wish for, Bouler, you may get it (that is, you may imply or appear to imply that you are asking a question or making a comment and someone like me will come along and write a major paper on the subject). I know by now, but I did not ask for it. BTW the Ford story proves the insane forms of suïng. The lady was driving very dangerous, so its simply her own fault and not Fords, but still Ford has to pay a crazy lot of money. Nobody in The Netherlands will sue a company for such an accident. Yeah, because you are too stupid. I gave you FACTUAL examples of product liability issues, but the REAL reason that Dutch people don't sue is that they get their balls nailed to the deck if they lose, our morons don't. A small reply is enough, please don't snow me under againgrin You have yet to see an intentional snowing under, but you'll shortly begin to see some. Now, after reading my couple of private replies and the first very small retalliatory strikes here, maybe you'll see how really foolish you were in attempting to take me on and apologize, else you will see first-hand just how much brighter I really am than you. //EOT -- HP, aka Jerry "You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a ****!" |
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Bouler added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
"HEMI-Powered" schreef in bericht ... snip I never can get a licence, only when I am a member of a "shootingclub". But I'm not so fond of guns. In Michigan prior to maybe 8 years ago, a private citizen had to show a legitimate need for firearm protection because of their line of work. For example, a free lance PI (Private Investigator), someone who works for a company that may be attacked and needs a privately owned weapon, or similar things. They just didn't let any yahoo carry a Dirty Harry around. But, Republican Gov. John Engler who was a big believer in the presumed 2nd Amendment's right to "keep and bear arms" took advantage of a friendly legislature to push through a general leniency of the permit to buy a handgun and a FAR more lenient law, the one I already talked about, for getting a CCW. I make no comment on what he did, but suffice to say that we are now in the same position as traditional gun states such as the Far West and Old South. So, do I interpret your brief comment to basically mean that The Netherlands has a much stricter law to obtain a CCW license, maybe like Michigan used to have? Yes thats what I meant. If I'd realized when I made my first reply here that you have no clue on these things, I'd not have wasted my time on a thoughtful reply.And,another phrase for CCW is "right to carry", and I can see why you don't - you'd be a danger to yourself and everyone around you if you tried to use your rod. -- HP, aka Jerry "You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a ****!" |
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Bouler added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
Wow what one word can do;-( Lets stop talking about these things Jerry, they are to complicated for me and I'm not interested enough. Single misguided words have started wars, numbnuts! I can understand when a technical discussion is too complicated for your simple pedagogue mind, so you're better off quitting when you're already behind. "'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln -- HP, aka Jerry "You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a ****!" |
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"HEMI - Powered" wrote in message ... wizofwas added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... Born and raised in Clarkston, it was a great little town back then. And I've also lived in E. Lansing and Grand Blanc. Now I'm in St. Petersburg, Fla. My one year of sailboat racing, we took 1st in class (Tartan 10) in the Port Huron to Mackinaw race. Really?! Help out a lazy Michigander, wiz. Clarkston is north of Lapeer or NW, I can't remember which. I think the only time I've been there, and it isn't more than maybe 30 miles from me, is for a couple of funerals for the father or mother of one of my employees, and then later when HE suddenly and tragicly dropped dead a few years back after I'd retired. Clarkston is due west of Lake Orion, so that would be SW of Lapeer. Basicly it's at the intersection of Dixie Hwy, M 15 and I 75. I have to say Dixie Hwy, because I think they changed the number from US 10 to US 24, but I'm not susre, it's been a long time since I've been there. I must've blew right past this earlier today, wiz. Wow! I must have my compass next to a magnet or something, as I thought Clarkston was the other way or maybe I'm mixed up with the funeral home a little south of downtown that I talked about earlier. Hmmm. Gotta broom the cobwebs out of the old brain, methinketh! Now that I cogitate a little more, yes, I get off I-75 at the Lapeer Road exit right by the Palace of Auburn Hills where the Detroit Pistons play basketball but I keep going north to some Michigan 2-lane highway. No, I must still be mixed up, think I'll find a Michigan map and get myself turned around. Clarkston, think of Pine Knob, I do hope that you know where Pine Knob is. I can remember going to a game at the Palace and the line on 75 was real long. I saw that and just bypassed it and took the back way in. Used to do the same thing with the "bag" (Silverdome) And I forgot to say that I also lived in Lake Orion just off of Lapeer Rd. (M24) Never got to Lapeer very much, Oxford is as far north as I usually got. But Ihave traveled the length of it going up to the thumb. William Beaumont Hospital has a satellite medical building just south of Lapeer, and just north of the Chrysler marshalling yard where I get my company lease cars. I see my urologist out there. It is a 25 minute rule out there and more than 2 gallons of gas but is FAR easier than fighting the parking deck at Troy Beaumont which is only 6 miles from my house. So, I trade some money and time for the convenience of parking right by the door and only a short walk down the hall. In the end, I actually SAVE time. And, Beaumont has full X-ray, CT, and MRI services so I use them also. I've traveled by "Billy B" in Troy more times than I can count. Now, would you at all care to tell me what "wizofwas" means? I'd take a wild stab at something like "wizard of was something or the other". That at all close? That's it, I really got it from a cartoon on a customers site one time. They had a cartoon of a wizard waving a wand at a computer main- frame and the caption was "I don't know, he's from CV." And beside the wizard was written in "Eddie? Charlie?". I asked the customer and yes, it was a complement. I was one of the best at fixing that old equipment. I turned down a job as regional tech support in Chitown because I didn't want to move there and I knew that I'd be spending most of my time on the road. I also turned down a job as national tech support because I didn't want to take the pay cut. IIRC it would have been about $10k a year and the cost of living is much greater in Boston than it is in Detroit. Also, would you care to go off-line and maybe get to know each other via E-mail. I'd really like that as you and I can compare notes like I've just started doing with Kingfisher. I'm also enjoying the Hell outta talking to Bouler. If yes, do I un-munge your E-mail addy by just taking out the "nospam"? Yes, that's how you do it. and if you want to E-mail, go ahead. wizofwas |
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"HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... wizofwas added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... "HEMI-Powered" wrote in message ... wizofwas added these comments in the current discussion du jour ... [snip] I love it here. With the price of gas the way it is, I can get to anywhere I want by bicycle with no problems. In fact, I haven't driven a car since Christmas. St. Pete is getting real "biker" friendly more and more each year with new bicycle paths being added to the streets every year and even putting up bicycle racks in more areas. I'm not quite fond enough to move to Florida, but I do like it. I don't much like the cost of living nor them dang himmicanes that Kingfisher prefers I not mention. I think he views them as the "H" word. grin Miami area and south, and the panhandle are the worse places to live in Fla. if you worry about the Herricanes (or Himicanes, depending on the gender of the cane :-)). And the safest place is in the Jacksonville area. But at least we get ample warning when they are coming now. I've been here over 15 years now and have only had close calls with them. But you are right, it's not if you're going to get hit by one, just when. Louisiana and Missippippi got the same warning for Katrina, at least a couple of days before landfall, but the damage, destruction, and loss of life was vastly different for a variety of reasons, but principly from what I know due to much of New Orleans being below the wind surge flood level behind levees that failed and 100 or so miles east wasn't, plus the Mayor of NO and the Gov. of Louisiana sat on their collective duffs and so did FEMA. Now, Florida has none of these problems, AFAIK, you'd obviously be a better judge of this than me, but if ANY coastal area or even 100 miles or more inland is going to get a direct hit by a 100 year wind, rain, and flood there just plain ain't no time to flee, nor any place to go anyway. So, because farming, ranching, manufacturing, and many, many industries are very profitable in hurricane belts and people all must live someplace, I imagine they just play the probabilities. If you think for one minute that given a 24 hour notice that anybody can't drive out of a hurricanes path, then you are dead wrong. I'd say a 12 hour notice, but then you'd have a ton of traffic to deal with and might not be able to get out of the way. And yes, we watch the hurricanes forming off of Africa and keep watching them all summer and fall till they die. We really don't know what they are going to do or go. New Orleans was/is a disaster just wating to happen. The lazy idiots there just wanted the Fed to bail them out and do every- thing for them. They didn't want to take responsiblity for saving themselves. And yes that includes the Mayor and the Governer. Remember tht it IS the governments job to inform you when and where a hurricane is going to hit. It is NOT the governments job to save your sorry ass if you decide to stay. I remember seeing a 15 or so high pole along the Grand Strand near Myrtle beach, wondered what it was and pulled over to see. Perched on top was a sign that read "100 year flood level". 15 feet above the road? Don't think anyone is gonna drive out from there! If you wait till the storm hits, you're right, but who said that you can't leave before the storm hits? I know of no place on earth, certainly not wherever the earthquake hit in China, where weather and geological disasters aren't a threat to life and property, it is just a risk we must bear. Just depends on what you want to put up with. I'd much rather deal with the hurricanes here than the tornadoes up there. I still remember the damage done to Flint in the 50's and Saginaw/Bay City in the 60's by tornadoes. And they strike without warning. wizofwas |
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where Clarkston is, meaning of "wiz", and E-mailing
wizofwas added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
Clarkston, think of Pine Knob, I do hope that you know where Pine Knob is. I can remember going to a game at the Palace and the line on 75 was real long. I saw that and just bypassed it and took the back way in. Used to do the same thing with the "bag" (Silverdome) And I forgot to say that I also lived in Lake Orion just off of Lapeer Rd. (M24) Never got to Lapeer very much, Oxford is as far north as I usually got. But Ihave traveled the length of it going up to the thumb. OK, now I'm with you, wiz. Pine Knob is a fair piece NORTH of me. Yes, Lapeer and Lake Orion both lie (lay?) along Lapeer Road, as does the Palace, but the Silverdome, former home of the Detroit Lions football team is on Opdyke Boulevard at Featherstone Road, where FREC (Chrysler Featherstone Road Office Complex where the SRT team and Team Viper are) and the Chrysler Technology Center and Headquarters Tower Complex both east of the 'Dome. And, the Walter P. Chrylser Museum is at SE corner of CTC's 512+ acre grounds. I've traveled by "Billy B" in Troy more times than I can count. Me, two, and I spent a very unpleasant to days as an inpatient the latter part of January this year after I damn near killed myself with severe malnutrion and Tylenol poisoning, but I'm reasonably healthy again now (although I have a LOT of work ahead of me to regain my strength and endurance). Now, would you at all care to tell me what "wizofwas" means? I'd take a wild stab at something like "wizard of was something or the other". That at all close? That's it, I really got it from a cartoon on a customers site one time So, it is "Wizard of Was", whatever "Was" is? .. They had a cartoon of a wizard waving a wand at a computer main- frame Ah, yes, mainframes. Haven't heard that term in awhile! and the caption was "I don't know, he's from CV." And beside the wizard was written in "Eddie? Charlie?". I asked the customer and yes, it was a complement. I was one of the best at fixing that old equipment. I turned down a job as regional tech support in Chitown because I didn't want to move there and I knew that I'd be spending most of my time on the road. I also turned down a job as national tech support because I didn't want to take the pay cut. IIRC it would have been about $10k a year and the cost of living is much greater in Boston than it is in Detroit. Sounds like you're a pretty good techie, like my nephew. I can hold my own on the SW side but don't know much and don't much like HW. However, after about 1995 or so, I stopped being a PC hobbyist and now just use them to do useful work. So, I can do OK to keep the thing running but can't build one or diagnose and fix serious problems. It isn't that I'm not smart enough, I just ran out of time and interest to stay current, and had bigger fish to fry. Also, would you care to go off-line and maybe get to know each other via E-mail. I'd really like that as you and I can compare notes like I've just started doing with Kingfisher. I'm also enjoying the Hell outta talking to Bouler. If yes, do I un-munge your E-mail addy by just taking out the "nospam"? Yes, that's how you do it. and if you want to E-mail, go ahead. OK, thanks for the go ahead. If you want to go first, also please to to he 1 t h r o w a w a y @ c o m c a s t.n e t. I stopped putting even a munged addy into my headers or sig some time back for the same reason you've at least been wise enough to munge your header. Thanks, Wiz! -- HP, aka Jerry |
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wizofwas added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...
Louisiana and Missippippi got the same warning for Katrina, at least a couple of days before landfall, but the damage, destruction, and loss of life was vastly different for a variety of reasons, but principly from what I know due to much of New Orleans being below the wind surge flood level behind levees that failed and 100 or so miles east wasn't, plus the Mayor of NO and the Gov. of Louisiana sat on their collective duffs and so did FEMA. Now, Florida has none of these problems, AFAIK, you'd obviously be a better judge of this than me, but if ANY coastal area or even 100 miles or more inland is going to get a direct hit by a 100 year wind, rain, and flood there just plain ain't no time to flee, nor any place to go anyway. So, because farming, ranching, manufacturing, and many, many industries are very profitable in hurricane belts and people all must live someplace, I imagine they just play the probabilities. If you think for one minute that given a 24 hour notice that anybody can't drive out of a hurricanes path, then you are dead wrong. I'd say a 12 hour notice, but then you'd have a ton of traffic to deal with and might not be able to get out of the way. And yes, we watch the hurricanes forming off of Africa and keep watching them all summer and fall till they die. We really don't know what they are going to do or go. New Orleans was/is a disaster just wating to happen. The lazy idiots there just wanted the Fed to bail them out and do every- thing for them. They didn't want to take responsiblity for saving themselves. And yes that includes the Mayor and the Governer. Remember tht it IS the governments job to inform you when and where a hurricane is going to hit. It is NOT the governments job to save your sorry ass if you decide to stay. I KNOW an entire state of city's population cannot flee that quickly even if they have the means, which over half of NO residents did not. My point though, was that the governors of the several Gulf states and mayors of the major coastal cities varied widely in their decisions on how to prepare and how to recover from the aftermath. Gov. Blanco of Lousiana and Mayor Ray Nagen of New Orleans also blundered fatally some years prior to Katrina, back to 1999-2000 and again in 2002-2003 when the Army's Corps of Engineers proposed rebuilding the NO levees to support 80% of a 100 year flood and storm surge and had a more expensive alternative that upped the percentage even more. It was in the $2.2B range, which the Army had secured Federal budged for all but about $250-300 million more or less that would be shared 80/20 by the state and city but Blanco and Nagen balked and refused to pony up their share. Pretty damn dumb, if you ask me, and what some people say "penny wise but dollar foolish" in reverse. That said, it might STILL have been possible to prevent the carnage, $20+ billion damages, and both suffering and illness today IF president Bush and first Tom Ridge and later Michael Chertoff of DHS would've popped for entire levee rebuilding by realizing that it would be only about 1/10 as expensive as what FEMA had to attempt to do. I think that is both arrogant and tragic. There is still confusion and finger pointing as to exactly when the Hurricane Warning Service of the Federal government actually told Nagen and Blanco - and the other states - more clearly what the danger was and the probability of a direct hit vs a glancing blow so that more than 24 hours - maybe as many as 72 or more - could have been available. Even more tragic is that over 60 percent of the Louisiana National Guard which could have immediately swung into action to help the recovery, were deployed to Iraq and despite Gov. Blancos many pleas to President Bush, he adamently refused to send her Gaurd home and deploy other state's units. I remember seeing a 15 or so high pole along the Grand Strand near Myrtle beach, wondered what it was and pulled over to see. Perched on top was a sign that read "100 year flood level". 15 feet above the road? Don't think anyone is gonna drive out from there! If you wait till the storm hits, you're right, but who said that you can't leave before the storm hits? Nobody, but lots of folks don't recognize the true danger and/or do not have the wherewithall to move away expediciously or at all. I know of no place on earth, certainly not wherever the earthquake hit in China, where weather and geological disasters aren't a threat to life and property, it is just a risk we must bear. Just depends on what you want to put up with. I'd much rather deal with the hurricanes here than the tornadoes up there. I still remember the damage done to Flint in the 50's and Saginaw/Bay City in the 60's by tornadoes. And they strike without warning. Tornadoes have been in the news in the last couple of years because of the tragedies and devastation in the several Midwestern twisters. But, besides long ago strengthening their building codes and establishing better early warning systems, other states such as my Michigan haven't had a major tornado in a LONG time. That's why I like it where I am. Now if your a Yupper or live someplace like Grand Rapids, then you're going to get hit much harder with lakes-effects rain and snow storms to the point of blizzards so severe that entire cities shut down for long periods are all too common. Again, though, one needs to put some perspective on this. People live where they do because they like it there, and often have deep family roots and also long-time employment, so it can be tough. Agree at all to my counter assertions? I'm not trying to dispute yours, just expand on mine with some more background I'm aware of through multiple sources. -- HP, aka Jerry "You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a ****!" |
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