"Boater" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

Prove it.


I've heard that same story a million times...the "wasn't your job" to save
the whatever b.s.

You may have heard it a million times, but you obviously haven't been in a
position to experience it.
I have. Many times. A union electrician almost shut down a major, DOE,
DOD funded project at the University of Rochester because he didn't
understand the technology involved in a system design and reported it to the
local union and city electrical inspectors.

I was directly involved and participated in putting on a little "show" with
help from the Director of the Lab in order to prevent a major administrative
problem. It was interesting, to say the least.


Eisboch

"BAR" wrote in message
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Boater wrote:


Mrs. Bertie the Plumber?



Mrs. Bertie the Rocket Scientist. Welding expert, battery expert, and
analytical chemist. My biggest problem is getting her to go back to work
full time.


"That's" funny! Good one.

Eisboch

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:08:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"Boater" wrote in message
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I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)

"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Here's the deal guys. Harry is in the union marketing business. He's
essentially a marketer for union labor.

That's what he does for a living. Kind of like Amway sales in a way.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Butt welded? Hehehe. Nope.


Harry, you crack me up. Like your politics, you seem to think that only
what you believe or have personal experience in is the "only" way to do
things.

Yes. Butt welded.

A welding technique commonly used to join two sections of tubing or
manifolding.
Used in simple structural assemblies as well as chemical, gas, vacuum and
nuclear manifolding.

The ends of the sections to be joined are weld prepped, grinding the edges
at angles, then TIG welded at 100 percent root penetration. The weld seams
can then be ground and polished for cosmetic purposes to create the
appearance of a continuous section of piping. What's the big deal? It's
basic welding.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Boater" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union tried
to fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going amuck at
no risk to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved the company
a bundle in repairs by noticing it in time. The union's grudge was that
it "wasn't your job!".


Bull****.


Harry, I've been witness to the same type of thing many times. Due to the
somewhat unconventional nature of the business I was in, some of the
confrontations with union facilities were humorous, but in the end,
unnessessarily costly. I learned early on to add additional manhours to
our costs, particularly for installations of systems, if the customer had
a union shop. It just took much longer to accomplish.

Eisboch


Just talk to exhibitors that have had experiences putting on displays for
conventions in Chicago's McCormick Place. Aside from exhorbinent union
labor rates exhibitors they were robbed blind of their products.

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Butt welded? Hehehe. Nope.


Harry, you crack me up. Like your politics, you seem to think that only
what you believe or have personal experience in is the "only" way to do
things.

Yes. Butt welded.

A welding technique commonly used to join two sections of tubing or
manifolding.
Used in simple structural assemblies as well as chemical, gas, vacuum and
nuclear manifolding.

The ends of the sections to be joined are weld prepped, grinding the edges
at angles, then TIG welded at 100 percent root penetration. The weld seams
can then be ground and polished for cosmetic purposes to create the
appearance of a continuous section of piping. What's the big deal? It's
basic welding.

Eisboch



Simple and basic only because you have had the pleasure of associating
with non union welders who take pride in their workmanship. Welders who
know that every payday depends on his earning his pay, not just showing
up to punch the clock.
Unions are responsible for obstructing America's ability to be
competitive in the world marketplace.

I rank unions right up there with liberals, democrats, and lazy slugs
like Harry.

They wouldn't last a week in a non-union shop (like mine).

What a man.....

I rank unions right up there with liberals, democrats, and lazy
slugs like Harry.

Your jealous, because you were too stupid to be hired by the
Union......

And now you're stuck in your dead-end , under-paying occupation. Poor
poo-poo..

wrote:

They wouldn't last a week in a non-union shop (like mine).

What a man.....



Most of the anti-union clowns here don't have the aptitude or skills to
be trained as a hod carrier's apprentice. They're resentful of blue
collar guys earning enough to make a decent living. I give their
opinions in this area all the consideration they are worth...which is
none at all.

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 12, 6:49 pm, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew
bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved
glass
on site? I don't believe it.
Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?
Eisboch
BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to
non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.
I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality
welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of
the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
This particular "bit" of welding was the same sort I've seen in the
gas/chemical plumbing runs for chemical labs, and I don't mean the
plumbing runs for sinks or toilets. When I finish the articles I'm
writing, I'll send you a copy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, but if you actually wrote it, who do you think is going to trust
it? You have zero credibility here in this group. Don't you get it?



Yeah, as if I really care what you and the other FLEEGs "think."

Yeah you do. Why else would you be making up these fantastic, amazing
stories about yourself and your stuff?