There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

"Jim" wrote in message
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There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the terms
of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the full
members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the terms
of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the full
members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)




I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice
in any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)


I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice in
any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned out
an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass staircase. The
tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as close to perfect
as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what the job needed was
someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some footpegs and someone with
FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass on
site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice in
any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned out
an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass staircase. The
tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as close to perfect
as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what the job needed was
someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some footpegs and someone with
FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass on
site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch




The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking
garage with special equipment typically used at facilities that
fabricate for the aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union
factory. I took a few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for
the staircase was...astonishing. :)

"Boater" wrote in message
...


I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.



Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch


The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)




"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Eisboch

On Nov 12, 4:54*pm, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice in
any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned out
an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass staircase. The
tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as close to perfect
as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what the job needed was
someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some footpegs and someone with
FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass on
site? * I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch

The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking
garage with special equipment typically used at facilities that
fabricate for the aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union
factory. I took a few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for
the staircase was...astonishing. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What a lie! Show us some pictures!!!!

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
They had to be leak tight to atoms of helium, drawn through voids or
inclusions or diffused through the welds by vacuum. Helium is number 2 on
the periodic chart, meaning the atoms are very, very small.

Anyway, once in a while we would have a contract that required a "U" stamp
or in a couple of rare cases, a "N" stamp, meaning our welders were
certified for nuclear work. We didn't have any "N" stamp certified
welders. One project required it for a subsection (not the entire
structure), so we subcontracted to a "N" certified union welder in another
shop. The finished piece was received and, as required by the contract, sent
out for x-ray. It flunked.

So, we subcontracted another one. Same thing. It flunked. The union shop
attempted to repair it without success ... flunked x-ray again.

Meanwhile, there are excuses flying around like mosquitoes in July. Time
was ticking and it was costing money.

We then had one of our very good, non-union welders go to the union shop to
witness the welding process on the forth attempt to build the subsystem.
One thing led to another (old history, not worth bringing back up) but it
turns out that our welder was quite a bit bigger than the shop's union
welder. Our guy grabbed the torch and spent three days welding up the
assembly.

Shipped it out for x-ray.... passed with no problems.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.


This particular "bit" of welding was the same sort I've seen in the
gas/chemical plumbing runs for chemical labs, and I don't mean the
plumbing runs for sinks or toilets. When I finish the articles I'm
writing, I'll send you a copy.

Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
They had to be leak tight to atoms of helium, drawn through voids or
inclusions or diffused through the welds by vacuum. Helium is number 2 on
the periodic chart, meaning the atoms are very, very small.

Anyway, once in a while we would have a contract that required a "U" stamp
or in a couple of rare cases, a "N" stamp, meaning our welders were
certified for nuclear work. We didn't have any "N" stamp certified
welders. One project required it for a subsection (not the entire
structure), so we subcontracted to a "N" certified union welder in another
shop. The finished piece was received and, as required by the contract, sent
out for x-ray. It flunked.

So, we subcontracted another one. Same thing. It flunked. The union shop
attempted to repair it without success ... flunked x-ray again.

Meanwhile, there are excuses flying around like mosquitoes in July. Time
was ticking and it was costing money.

We then had one of our very good, non-union welders go to the union shop to
witness the welding process on the forth attempt to build the subsystem.
One thing led to another (old history, not worth bringing back up) but it
turns out that our welder was quite a bit bigger than the shop's union
welder. Our guy grabbed the torch and spent three days welding up the
assembly.

Shipped it out for x-ray.... passed with no problems.

You need to talk to my wife about welding and porosity of materials. She
eats, sleeps and dreams that stuff.