"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:31:21 -0500, Boater
wrote:

No, you didn't. I wasn't dumb enough to get drafted

Damn - you are such an ass sometimes.


Nothing personal, Tom. I'm just unimpressed by our entire involvement in
Vietnam, other than the horror of 55,000 American lives wasted, tens of
thousands of U.S. troops seriously injured, and millions of Asians killed
and maimed. Those losses I find tragic and impressive. The war was
a...what's that term you old soldiers like...cluster****, the dumbest war
we got involved in in the last 100 years, until our recent one against
Iraq. Blame for it goes all the way back to the SEATO treaty.

I didn't have to resist the draft, but I have friends who did. *They* were
right.


God, it must be tough to be you. You are very close to, if not *the* most
cynical, negative person I've ever listened to sprew forth their POV's.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:31:21 -0500, Boater
wrote:

No, you didn't. I wasn't dumb enough to get drafted
Damn - you are such an ass sometimes.

Nothing personal, Tom. I'm just unimpressed by our entire involvement in
Vietnam, other than the horror of 55,000 American lives wasted, tens of
thousands of U.S. troops seriously injured, and millions of Asians killed
and maimed. Those losses I find tragic and impressive. The war was
a...what's that term you old soldiers like...cluster****, the dumbest war
we got involved in in the last 100 years, until our recent one against
Iraq. Blame for it goes all the way back to the SEATO treaty.

I didn't have to resist the draft, but I have friends who did. *They* were
right.


God, it must be tough to be you. You are very close to, if not *the* most
cynical, negative person I've ever listened to sprew forth their POV's.

Eisboch




I should have "positive" feelings about our involvement in Vietnam? With
55,000 dead Americans, tens of thousands more seriously injured,
billions of our dollars wasted, millions of Asians dead, and nothing to
show for our "investment" there other than huge profits for the
military-industrial complex?

Hell, we didn't even learn any lessons from that debacle.

Tell me, Richard, what did we gain from that war?
What were we doing there, besides propping up a series of corrupt
right-wing dictators?

Vietnam was screwed by the French, the Japanese, the allies after WW II,
the French again, and then the Americans. All they wanted was us the
hell out of their country.

"Boater" wrote in message
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I should have "positive" feelings about our involvement in Vietnam? With
55,000 dead Americans, tens of thousands more seriously injured, billions
of our dollars wasted, millions of Asians dead, and nothing to show for
our "investment" there other than huge profits for the military-industrial
complex?

Hell, we didn't even learn any lessons from that debacle.

Tell me, Richard, what did we gain from that war?
What were we doing there, besides propping up a series of corrupt
right-wing dictators?

Vietnam was screwed by the French, the Japanese, the allies after WW II,
the French again, and then the Americans. All they wanted was us the hell
out of their country.


I understand. I also understand the point Vic made. It was a different
time, a different era
and many of us that participated did so because we thought we were doing the
right thing.
You continue to harp on the subject, making negative comments of those that
responded to the times in a different world and without benefit of playing
Monday morning quarterback like you can.

Let me ask you this: When the troops finally come home from Iraq are you
going to start chastising them for volunteering because *you* didn't agree
with the war?

If you are consistent, I'll bet you will.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I should have "positive" feelings about our involvement in Vietnam? With
55,000 dead Americans, tens of thousands more seriously injured, billions
of our dollars wasted, millions of Asians dead, and nothing to show for
our "investment" there other than huge profits for the military-industrial
complex?

Hell, we didn't even learn any lessons from that debacle.

Tell me, Richard, what did we gain from that war?
What were we doing there, besides propping up a series of corrupt
right-wing dictators?

Vietnam was screwed by the French, the Japanese, the allies after WW II,
the French again, and then the Americans. All they wanted was us the hell
out of their country.


I understand. I also understand the point Vic made. It was a different
time, a different era
and many of us that participated did so because we thought we were doing the
right thing.
You continue to harp on the subject, making negative comments of those that
responded to the times in a different world and without benefit of playing
Monday morning quarterback like you can.

Let me ask you this: When the troops finally come home from Iraq are you
going to start chastising them for volunteering because *you* didn't agree
with the war?

If you are consistent, I'll bet you will.

Eisboch




I don't fault those who volunteered specifically for Bush's war...after
all, they were lied to by the Bush Administration, too. More recently, I
suspect there are far fewer new volunteers for Iraq than there are
volunteers for the military as an employer of last resort. Times are
pretty tough, and the military is hiring. You figure it out.

I also don't fault those who served in Vietnam. I do have problems with
those who think they were involved in something over there that had
anything to do with keeping the United States safe from foreign attack.

It's the war I find disgusting, and those who try to glorify it or their
role in it. Too many young men of that era had no reasonable ability or
way to avoid the draft, were sucked into the military, and got killed or
maimed, and for no good reason.

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I should have "positive" feelings about our involvement in Vietnam?
With 55,000 dead Americans, tens of thousands more seriously injured,
billions of our dollars wasted, millions of Asians dead, and nothing
to show for our "investment" there other than huge profits for the
military-industrial complex?

Hell, we didn't even learn any lessons from that debacle.

Tell me, Richard, what did we gain from that war?
What were we doing there, besides propping up a series of corrupt
right-wing dictators?

Vietnam was screwed by the French, the Japanese, the allies after WW
II, the French again, and then the Americans. All they wanted was us
the hell out of their country.


I understand. I also understand the point Vic made. It was a
different time, a different era
and many of us that participated did so because we thought we were
doing the right thing.
You continue to harp on the subject, making negative comments of those
that responded to the times in a different world and without benefit
of playing Monday morning quarterback like you can.

Let me ask you this: When the troops finally come home from Iraq are
you going to start chastising them for volunteering because *you*
didn't agree with the war?

If you are consistent, I'll bet you will.

Eisboch




I don't fault those who volunteered specifically for Bush's war...after
all, they were lied to by the Bush Administration, too. More recently, I
suspect there are far fewer new volunteers for Iraq than there are
volunteers for the military as an employer of last resort. Times are
pretty tough, and the military is hiring. You figure it out.

I also don't fault those who served in Vietnam. I do have problems with
those who think they were involved in something over there that had
anything to do with keeping the United States safe from foreign attack.

It's the war I find disgusting, and those who try to glorify it or their
role in it. Too many young men of that era had no reasonable ability or
way to avoid the draft, were sucked into the military, and got killed or
maimed, and for no good reason.

And a miserable piece of poo like you, who most of us find repulsive,
gets a free pass. There is no justice.