"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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You might be too young to remember Everett Dirksen's voice.
Cool.
Hey, check this out. Spiro Agnew rapping.
Found it looking for an example of Dirksen.


Here's a link to a c-span site that has some old interviews with the likes
of Everett Dirksen, Hubert Humphrey, Barry Goldwater, etc.

It took a minute or so for the page to begin loading, but then did so
quickly. There's a couple of 45 minute interviews with Dirksen. Fun to
listen to that distinctive voice and personality behind it again.

http://www.c-span.org/apa/cong_lead....t_events,lcng;

or: http://tinyurl.com/6lz5f2

Eisboch


I lived in Illinois while Dirksen was senator. I always remember his famous
line, "a billion here, a billion there and pretty soon we're talking real
money". Of course back in his day a billion bought a lot more than today.

wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he died and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be *someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along the way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he died
and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be
*someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along the
way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

The problem is I haven't been paying Social Security taxes for the last
1/3 of the year. But, once The Obama gets sworn in I'll be paying them
for the full year.

Do you know how many jobs are going to be lost because of that increase
in taxes? If you think 6.5% unemployment is high you haven't seen
anything yet.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he
died and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be
*someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along the
way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

The problem is I haven't been paying Social Security taxes for the last
1/3 of the year. But, once The Obama gets sworn in I'll be paying them
for the full year.

Do you know how many jobs are going to be lost because of that increase
in taxes? If you think 6.5% unemployment is high you haven't seen
anything yet.


Slightly higher taxes on the wealthy aren't going to raise the
unemployment rate.

I was in a new condo yesterday, still under construction, on which the
owner spent $10 million. He and his buddies aren't going to miss a few
tens of thousands of dollars a year for fairer taxes.

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he
died and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be
*someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along
the way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

The problem is I haven't been paying Social Security taxes for the
last 1/3 of the year. But, once The Obama gets sworn in I'll be paying
them for the full year.

Do you know how many jobs are going to be lost because of that
increase in taxes? If you think 6.5% unemployment is high you haven't
seen anything yet.


Slightly higher taxes on the wealthy aren't going to raise the
unemployment rate.

I was in a new condo yesterday, still under construction, on which the
owner spent $10 million. He and his buddies aren't going to miss a few
tens of thousands of dollars a year for fairer taxes.

Don't rely too heavily on monkey ears'promises. You will be
disappointed. Guaranteed

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he
died and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be
*someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along
the way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

The problem is I haven't been paying Social Security taxes for the
last 1/3 of the year. But, once The Obama gets sworn in I'll be paying
them for the full year.

Do you know how many jobs are going to be lost because of that
increase in taxes? If you think 6.5% unemployment is high you haven't
seen anything yet.


Slightly higher taxes on the wealthy aren't going to raise the
unemployment rate.

You miss or ignore the point again. The companies that have to pay the
increased Social Security taxes will cause the unemployment rate to
increase.

I was in a new condo yesterday, still under construction, on which the
owner spent $10 million. He and his buddies aren't going to miss a few
tens of thousands of dollars a year for fairer taxes.

Again you are looking at it from the individual's perspective. You need
to look at it from the companies perspective. If the company's labor
costs increase by 10% due to increased federal state and local tax
costs that money is going to come on the backs of the current labor
force in by layoffs.

Capital improvements will be delayed do to the reduced availability of
labor to implement those improvements. Since the company will not be
buying new equipment and services for those improvements it spirals
throughout the entire economy.

The best thing for The Obama to do to get the economy moving again is to
cut all federal taxes by 50%, captial gains, income, ... If you want to
see money start moving through the economy that's the way to do it.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he
died and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be
*someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along
the way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

The problem is I haven't been paying Social Security taxes for the
last 1/3 of the year. But, once The Obama gets sworn in I'll be
paying them for the full year.

Do you know how many jobs are going to be lost because of that
increase in taxes? If you think 6.5% unemployment is high you haven't
seen anything yet.


Slightly higher taxes on the wealthy aren't going to raise the
unemployment rate.

You miss or ignore the point again. The companies that have to pay the
increased Social Security taxes will cause the unemployment rate to
increase.

I was in a new condo yesterday, still under construction, on which the
owner spent $10 million. He and his buddies aren't going to miss a few
tens of thousands of dollars a year for fairer taxes.

Again you are looking at it from the individual's perspective. You need
to look at it from the companies perspective. If the company's labor
costs increase by 10% due to increased federal state and local tax costs
that money is going to come on the backs of the current labor force in
by layoffs.

Capital improvements will be delayed do to the reduced availability of
labor to implement those improvements. Since the company will not be
buying new equipment and services for those improvements it spirals
throughout the entire economy.

The best thing for The Obama to do to get the economy moving again is to
cut all federal taxes by 50%, captial gains, income, ... If you want to
see money start moving through the economy that's the way to do it.




Sorry, I have NO trust in corporations to do the right thing.

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:07 am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

...

Eisboch wrote:
"jamesgangnc" wrote in message
m...
It's over. You lost big time. Get over it.
Heh. I had to laugh. I remember someone saying that to Harry.
Took him eight years.
Eisboch
Now he can gloat and, **** & moan, simultaneously. It's like he
died and
went to heaven, or wherever he would go.
Now we can look to the future and remember there will always be
*someone*
here to defend/rationalize every *O* and democrat mis-step along
the way.
Oh, and find a way to blame it on Bush and those nasty evangelicals.

The only difference is us "wingers" (moderate republicans) won't
spend
the next 4 years making up stories,namecalling, and running
interference for our worst criminals, in an attempt to subvert our
elected government... We will probably buck up, pay more taxes, and
hope for the future. Time will tell.


You don't pay federal income taxes.

The problem is I haven't been paying Social Security taxes for the
last 1/3 of the year. But, once The Obama gets sworn in I'll be
paying them for the full year.

Do you know how many jobs are going to be lost because of that
increase in taxes? If you think 6.5% unemployment is high you
haven't seen anything yet.


Slightly higher taxes on the wealthy aren't going to raise the
unemployment rate.

You miss or ignore the point again. The companies that have to pay the
increased Social Security taxes will cause the unemployment rate to
increase.

I was in a new condo yesterday, still under construction, on which
the owner spent $10 million. He and his buddies aren't going to miss
a few tens of thousands of dollars a year for fairer taxes.

Again you are looking at it from the individual's perspective. You
need to look at it from the companies perspective. If the company's
labor costs increase by 10% due to increased federal state and local
tax costs that money is going to come on the backs of the current
labor force in by layoffs.

Capital improvements will be delayed do to the reduced availability of
labor to implement those improvements. Since the company will not be
buying new equipment and services for those improvements it spirals
throughout the entire economy.

The best thing for The Obama to do to get the economy moving again is
to cut all federal taxes by 50%, captial gains, income, ... If you
want to see money start moving through the economy that's the way to
do it.




Sorry, I have NO trust in corporations to do the right thing.

Yet you rely upon those corporations to provide you with your daily needs.

HK wrote:

BAR wrote:

The best thing for The Obama to do to get the economy moving again is to
cut all federal taxes by 50%, captial gains, income, ... If you want to
see money start moving through the economy that's the way to do it.



Sorry, I have NO trust in corporations to do the right thing.


You belong on an island then.

Virtually all economists and politicians, Democrat and Republican alike are
focused on invigorating business to curb unemployment, provide resources for
health care and other benefits plus recover lost values in 401k plans for
retirements. The economy won't recover until business, meaning
corporations, have a reason to grow and expand rather than downsize and
shrink. Corporations don't exist to provide social welfare. They exist to
make a profit.

The current problems are not going to be solved by extending unemployment
benefits or providing free, taxpayer funded health care for all. It may
temporarily ease the pain somewhat for some, but it's a band-aid, not a fix.

Even your man Obama is in favor of a bailout for GM, Ford and possibly
Chrysler. Mistake IMO.

Eisboch

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:49:15 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .


You might be too young to remember Everett Dirksen's voice.
Cool.
Hey, check this out. Spiro Agnew rapping.
Found it looking for an example of Dirksen.


Here's a link to a c-span site that has some old interviews with the likes
of Everett Dirksen, Hubert Humphrey, Barry Goldwater, etc.

It took a minute or so for the page to begin loading, but then did so
quickly. There's a couple of 45 minute interviews with Dirksen. Fun to
listen to that distinctive voice and personality behind it again.

http://www.c-span.org/apa/cong_lead....t_events,lcng;

or: http://tinyurl.com/6lz5f2

Eisboch

Thanks. For some reason I always get a "page can't be displayed"
error. Maybe tomorrow it'll work.

--Vic