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DK wrote:

You would be wrong (go figure...). Several of my neighbors have nicer
cars than I do. I happen to like BMW's so I bought two. Go drive one
and you *might* understand.




I've driven BMWs recently. Overpriced and overengineered...the perfect car
for someone who needs a car to impress people.


Nonsense. Overpriced and overengineered as compared to what? Your
reasoning is consistent with your opinion of long distance travel on a boat,
experiencing the navigation and piloting challenges and the ports visited .
You'd rather fly directly to your destination and check into a hotel.
Others, like me, would rather experience the trip on a boat. You're not
wrong, but neither am I.

Back to cars:

No question that the principle of diminishing returns applies ... just like
audio equipment. People with a tin ear don't appreciate fine speakers or
amplifiers because they can't hear or appreciate the sound quality. It
makes no sense for them to spend any more than for a cheap boombox. Fine.
But for those of us that *do* appreciate high quality music reproduction, we
invest in higher quality gear.

A well engineered car like a BMW is the same. To some, a Yugo serves the
purpose. Point A to point B. To others, the excellent engineering,
refinement and driving experience of a BMW is appreciated and enjoyed.
Different strokes for different folks, that's all.

I can relate, from personal experience, having driven the 1500 miles from MA
to FL or back many times in several different vehicles. The BMW 750 was
the only one that I could comfortably drive non-stop (other than for gas or
brief breaks) and arrive without feeling like a complete zombie. It had the
perfect combination of suspension, seating (not too soft, not too hard) and
handling to make the driving experience very enjoyable. Impossible to do
in any other car or truck I've owned, and God knows, I've had a bunch of
them.

The only BMW that I've owned that I thought was waaaaay overdone in terms
of complicated electronic controls was the '06 M5. A brand new, very
advanced design, BMW had their hands full getting the bugs worked out of the
software on that car. I understand the newer ones are much better.

But, in terms of pure, overall performance and almost perfect engineering,
they don't come close to a Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. :-)
But, I'd still never attempt a 1500 mile, non-stop trip in it.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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DK wrote:
You would be wrong (go figure...). Several of my neighbors have nicer
cars than I do. I happen to like BMW's so I bought two. Go drive one
and you *might* understand.



I've driven BMWs recently. Overpriced and overengineered...the perfect car
for someone who needs a car to impress people.


Nonsense. Overpriced and overengineered as compared to what? Your
reasoning is consistent with your opinion of long distance travel on a boat,
experiencing the navigation and piloting challenges and the ports visited .
You'd rather fly directly to your destination and check into a hotel.


My criteria for a car:

quality engineering and assembly.

good handling characteristics for the kind of driving I do.

good accident avoidance capabilities.

reasonable cost for parts and repairs, available from dealers who stock
just about everything my car will need.

reasonable sales price for new car.

A few weeks ago, I was looking at a new BMW 535i sedan. With a few
modest options, the sticker price was well over $60,000, about $20,000
to $25,000 more than several Japanese sedans that in my opinion have a
higher level of assembly and drive just as well.

I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.

"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland to
Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days on
the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland to
Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days on
the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch




I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals,
and a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour
at the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four
hours versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance
that competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch


I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals, and
a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour at
the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four hours
versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance that
competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.



You obviously also have faith and trust in the airlines. I don't.

Eisboch

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch


I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals,
and a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour at
the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four hours
versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance that
competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.



You obviously also have faith and trust in the airlines. I don't.

Eisboch


I LOVE it... His time is valuable, yet he spends a most of his day reading
and posting to numerous usenet groups! That's why he doesn't like to drive
long distances... he'd be away from his computer for too long. His family
must be so proud. WAFA!

--Mike

On Oct 16, 12:14*am, "Mike" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.

Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch

I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals,
and a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour at
the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four hours
versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance that
competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.

You obviously also have faith and trust in the airlines. * *I don't..

Eisboch

I LOVE it... His time is valuable, yet he spends a most of his day reading
and posting to numerous usenet groups! That's why he doesn't like to drive
long distances... he'd be away from his computer for too long. His family
must be so proud. WAFA!

--Mike- Hide quoted text -

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I actually enjoy travel by car. I get to actually SEE things.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:11:19 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
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Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour at
the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four hours
versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance that
competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.


You obviously also have faith and trust in the airlines. I don't.


I don't fly, and really enjoy my driving trips to Florida.
Chicago-Florida might be a more scenic trip than going from the east
coast.
My route is @1200 miles, and there are only 3 places where I can run
into heavy traffic, barring occasional road work.
Leaving metro Chicago, Nashville, and Atlanta.
We always leave at dawn, taking care of the first. Nashville and
Atlanta get a dawn or noon time passage.
But we stop 2 nights on the way, so it's a 3 day trip.
Since 1200 miles is about 18 hours driving at 65mph, you can see we
stop often and get plenty of sleep.
No night driving, except some minutes before dawn, and we're usually
in a motel by 4 pm.
Always something new to see on the trip.
Coming home is a bitch though, since we overnight only once.
Got to work on that part. Most is simple psychology, since we have a
different mind set about ending vacation than beginning it.

--Vic

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch


I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals,
and a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour at
the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four hours
versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance that
competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.



You obviously also have faith and trust in the airlines. I don't.

Eisboch


Funniest story about airline delays. When youngest graduated university, we
all stayed at a hotel next to LAX. We left daughter and went to airport.
She slept in. It is a 1 hr 15 minute flight to San Jose Airport. We turn
in rental car, go checkin and then find out the flight is delayed. We
finally leave to SJO, get my car at work, 10 minutes from the airport via
taxi, and drive home 35 minutes. Daughter is pulling up the street as to
the house as we turn corner above house. is a 5.5 hour drive from LAX to my
house. So the 3 hours of airplane trip took longer than sleeping in and
driving 5.5 hours. And this was before 9/11.

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from
Maryland to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than
waste two days on the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch



I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals,
and a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour
at the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four
hours versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance
that competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.



Judging by the amount of time you Waste here, your time doesn't seem to
be worth much at all.