"DK" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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On Oct 14, 4:57 pm, Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Three 2008 Nobel Laureates In Science Endorse Obama
Barack Obama's campaign will announce today that three 2008 Nobel
laureates in Science have added their names to a list of 62 Nobel
winners endorsing the Democratic candidate for president: Martin
Chalfie of Columbia University, Roger Tsien of the University of
California at San Diego, and the University of Chicago's Yoichiro
Nambu.
In other news, John McCain was endorsed by the American Association
of
High School Dropouts and the Society for the Promotion of
Creationism.
Are you using your "writers license" when you post fiction like that?
You should have your license revoked.
Three Nobel Laureates endorsed Obama today. Fact.

American Assn of High School Dropouts & Society for Promotion of
Cretinism, er, Creationism...two of the membership cards that can be
found in your wallet.
Do they own boats?

Does Reggie? Does Florida Jim? I'll bet half the regulars here don't own
boats.

....and some who do, like JohnnyH, don't use them. They'd rather golf, go
camping, knitting, whatever.

Your jealousy of John's Key West is only surpassed by your stupidity and
total lack of self esteem. You might want to keep quiet when the adults
are talking, dip****.

Jealous?? I'm not the one buying BMWs to try and impress the neighbours.
I'd say you are the one lacking in self esteem if you have to resort to that
behaviour just to try and impress people who probably don't give a damn
about you.

Don White wrote:

Does Reggie? Does Florida Jim? I'll bet half the regulars here don't own
boats.
....and some who do, like JohnnyH, don't use them. They'd rather golf, go
camping, knitting, whatever.
Your jealousy of John's Key West is only surpassed by your stupidity and
total lack of self esteem. You might want to keep quiet when the adults
are talking, dip****.

Jealous?? I'm not the one buying BMWs to try and impress the neighbours.
I'd say you are the one lacking in self esteem if you have to resort to that
behaviour just to try and impress people who probably don't give a damn
about you.



You would be wrong (go figure...). Several of my neighbors have nicer
cars than I do. I happen to like BMW's so I bought two. Go drive one
and you *might* understand.

DK wrote:
Don White wrote:

Does Reggie? Does Florida Jim? I'll bet half the regulars here
don't own boats.
....and some who do, like JohnnyH, don't use them. They'd rather
golf, go camping, knitting, whatever.
Your jealousy of John's Key West is only surpassed by your stupidity
and total lack of self esteem. You might want to keep quiet when the
adults are talking, dip****.

Jealous?? I'm not the one buying BMWs to try and impress the
neighbours.
I'd say you are the one lacking in self esteem if you have to resort
to that behaviour just to try and impress people who probably don't
give a damn about you.


You would be wrong (go figure...). Several of my neighbors have nicer
cars than I do. I happen to like BMW's so I bought two. Go drive one
and you *might* understand.


I've driven BMWs recently. Overpriced and overengineered...the perfect
car for someone who needs a car to impress people.

"Boater" wrote in message
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DK wrote:

You would be wrong (go figure...). Several of my neighbors have nicer
cars than I do. I happen to like BMW's so I bought two. Go drive one
and you *might* understand.




I've driven BMWs recently. Overpriced and overengineered...the perfect car
for someone who needs a car to impress people.


Nonsense. Overpriced and overengineered as compared to what? Your
reasoning is consistent with your opinion of long distance travel on a boat,
experiencing the navigation and piloting challenges and the ports visited .
You'd rather fly directly to your destination and check into a hotel.
Others, like me, would rather experience the trip on a boat. You're not
wrong, but neither am I.

Back to cars:

No question that the principle of diminishing returns applies ... just like
audio equipment. People with a tin ear don't appreciate fine speakers or
amplifiers because they can't hear or appreciate the sound quality. It
makes no sense for them to spend any more than for a cheap boombox. Fine.
But for those of us that *do* appreciate high quality music reproduction, we
invest in higher quality gear.

A well engineered car like a BMW is the same. To some, a Yugo serves the
purpose. Point A to point B. To others, the excellent engineering,
refinement and driving experience of a BMW is appreciated and enjoyed.
Different strokes for different folks, that's all.

I can relate, from personal experience, having driven the 1500 miles from MA
to FL or back many times in several different vehicles. The BMW 750 was
the only one that I could comfortably drive non-stop (other than for gas or
brief breaks) and arrive without feeling like a complete zombie. It had the
perfect combination of suspension, seating (not too soft, not too hard) and
handling to make the driving experience very enjoyable. Impossible to do
in any other car or truck I've owned, and God knows, I've had a bunch of
them.

The only BMW that I've owned that I thought was waaaaay overdone in terms
of complicated electronic controls was the '06 M5. A brand new, very
advanced design, BMW had their hands full getting the bugs worked out of the
software on that car. I understand the newer ones are much better.

But, in terms of pure, overall performance and almost perfect engineering,
they don't come close to a Porsche 911 Twin Turbo. :-)
But, I'd still never attempt a 1500 mile, non-stop trip in it.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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DK wrote:
You would be wrong (go figure...). Several of my neighbors have nicer
cars than I do. I happen to like BMW's so I bought two. Go drive one
and you *might* understand.



I've driven BMWs recently. Overpriced and overengineered...the perfect car
for someone who needs a car to impress people.


Nonsense. Overpriced and overengineered as compared to what? Your
reasoning is consistent with your opinion of long distance travel on a boat,
experiencing the navigation and piloting challenges and the ports visited .
You'd rather fly directly to your destination and check into a hotel.


My criteria for a car:

quality engineering and assembly.

good handling characteristics for the kind of driving I do.

good accident avoidance capabilities.

reasonable cost for parts and repairs, available from dealers who stock
just about everything my car will need.

reasonable sales price for new car.

A few weeks ago, I was looking at a new BMW 535i sedan. With a few
modest options, the sticker price was well over $60,000, about $20,000
to $25,000 more than several Japanese sedans that in my opinion have a
higher level of assembly and drive just as well.

I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.

"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland to
Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days on
the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland to
Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days on
the interstate.


Ah, but with a BMW you could make that trip in about 16 hours.

Eisboch




I've made it in 12. But I don't like doing it that way, and neither does
my wife. There are a few places way off the highway we stop for meals,
and a few motels we've come to rely on over the years.

We drive down to Florida about once every other year and fly the rest of
the time. We stop about halfway and then get an early start the next
morning.

Spending 12-16 hours driving a car...that was fun when I was in my early
20's...not now.

Once again, I can drive to BWI Airport in under an hour, waste an hour
at the airport, and then get down to Florida in two hours. That's four
hours versus 12-16 hours. There's nothing about driving the distance
that competes with that.

To me, my time is valuable. Wasting it driving south on the ugly,
dangerous Interstate is a waste of my time.

To each his own.

Boater wrote:


My criteria for a car:


I rarely drive long distances in a car...as, for example, from Maryland
to Florida. I have better things to do with my time than waste two days
on the interstate.


Do those better things to do include hanging in a Usenet group(s)
for 20+ years?

Chris