On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:33*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:32:54 -0400, HK wrote:

Reported unemployment is more than 6%. Actual unemployment is much higher.

Cites?

you obviously don't watch the news. seems you only get your
information about the world from mccain ads.

No..I seldom watch the Leftwing Media propaganda.

moron.

Odd..Im thinking the same about you.

Four million American families are losing their homes through mortgage
default.

Bush's fault?

bush, like the good lap dog of the rich that he is, runs to support
every failing financial institution because he's worried about the
rich.

Odd...then he is not trying to keep the economy going and keep the
little people from losing all their money?

Cites?

but when katrina hit new orleans? he ****ed 'em and ****ed 'em good.

Actually...if you had ever left your Mommas basement, you would have
discovered that the Louisiana Democrat Machine, headed up by Gov
Blanco and Mayor Ray Nagin ****ed up their constituants very very
badly and it took Bush and the Feds to save those people.

I wonder...with all the damage along the rest of the Gulf coast with
Katrina...why was the Democrat run New Orleans the only one in really
really deep ****...with countless murders of people in the stadium and
dying in the rain (Leftwing media quotes)





Major and minor American corporations are disintegrating.

Bush's fault?

actually...yeah. bush could have sent legislation to the GOP
controlled congress anytime during his term to re-regulate financial
markets that had been deregulated by the paid whore senator phil
gramm, republican of.....ahem...texas.

So could have your butt buddy Bill CLinton. Im curious however..why
hasnt the Democrat Controlled Congress taken care of it before the
meltdown?


but texas boys don't **** each other. and gramm's wife, a board
member of enron, was busy raping the employees of enron as it went
bankrupt.

You sound like you are jealous. Or upset you dont get to **** texas
boys.
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Gasoline is selling for three times what it was when Bush presumed office.

Gasoline is going down, does he get credit for that too?

you don't think he called his texas buddies and said mccain might lose
unless gas came down?

It appears your grasp of economics and the petroleum industry is as
feeble as your grasp of current politics.

Rather pitiful actually. Sucks to be you.



Consumer spending is way down because Americans are fearful of the future.

Bush controls the Media?

look at what happened to olberman on msnbc. he told the truth about
mccain. 15 minutes later, after mccain made a call to NBC, olberman
was off the air.

Like Dan Rather?



Durable goods is up, as is manufacturing. Seems that falling dollar is
good for manufacturing. and exports.

the USA is having a GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!!! courtesy of the
republicans!! everything must go!!

Odd...the CBO doesnt think so. Only those suffering the terminal
stages of BDS and their programmers in the DNC make those sort of
bull**** claims.

Are we in a recession? Yes, but not a bad one. Seen any bread lines
and soup kitchens lately?

If there had been a Democrat in office, we likely would be going
through the same cycle..and you would be claiming all was rosey

and who was the last president to balance the budget??

a democrat named 'clinton'

ROFLMAO....even CLintons CBO calls him and you a liar. There was NO
balanced budget, you utter ****wit..it was smoke and mirrors with
accounting tricks. In fact..Clinton gave us the recession when he left
that Bush had to pull the country out of when he first took office.

Need the cites on that one too?



You leftards are simply suffering from BDS.

says the guy who thinks republicans wrote the 4 gospels.

Im Buddhist. I dont pay attention to gospels.


Say...if your Obamassiah gets into office, and the country collapses
as yall are claiming its going to do....will it be Obamas fault?

too late. the country has already collapsed. better learn chinese, my
friend.

Odd..the chinese are learning English. If the US goes down the
toilet..so will the Chinese..and a big chunk of the rest of the
planet.

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

Ill wave as you shuffle by, carrying your personal possessions in a
cardboard box on your was to a soup kitchen..maybe..or if your luck
runs out..an unmarked grave as a Underprivledged Youth sticks a blade
into your neck and loots whatever crumbs you have left.

Laugh laugh laugh

Gunner

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:52:25 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:
you obviously don't watch the news. seems you only get your
information about the world from mccain ads.

No..I seldom watch the Leftwing Media propaganda.


there is no left wing in this country. there is fox news...and then
there's the right wing press.

bush, like the good lap dog of the rich that he is, runs to support
every failing financial institution because he's worried about the
rich.

Odd...then he is not trying to keep the economy going and keep the
little people from losing all their money?

uh huh. that's why he bails out bear stearns and resists helping
individual home owners who are losing their home.

so, no...he's not helping the middle class.


Cites?



but when katrina hit new orleans? he ****ed 'em and ****ed 'em good.

Actually...if you had ever left your Mommas basement, you would have
discovered that the Louisiana Democrat Machine, headed up by Gov
Blanco and Mayor Ray Nagin ****ed up their constituants very very
badly and it took Bush and the Feds to save those people.

uh...no. there were no federal resources available to help, except for
the Coast Guard which rescued 33,000 people.

bush put a horse lawyer in charge of FEMA. and all that guy did was
roll up his sleeves to appear in front of cameras.


actually...yeah. bush could have sent legislation to the GOP
controlled congress anytime during his term to re-regulate financial
markets that had been deregulated by the paid whore senator phil
gramm, republican of.....ahem...texas.

So could have your butt buddy Bill CLinton. Im curious however..why
hasnt the Democrat Controlled Congress taken care of it before the
meltdown?

?? i'd call you an idiot but you'd have to gain 40 IQ points to reach
that level.

the legislation deregulating the financial services sector was passed
by the GOP senate led by texas senator phil gramm, and signed by our
current president george bush

uh...i'll break it to you gently since you're just coming out of
medication: clinton's not president any more...




but texas boys don't **** each other. and gramm's wife, a board
member of enron, was busy raping the employees of enron as it went
bankrupt.

You sound like you are jealous. Or upset you dont get to **** texas
boys.

i get ****ed by texas boys every day. bush has been president...so to
speak...for 8 years.

look at what happened to olberman on msnbc. he told the truth about
mccain. 15 minutes later, after mccain made a call to NBC, olberman
was off the air.

Like Dan Rather?

uh...i see you're stuck in the clinton era. you need to have the nurse
bring you a paper so you can catch up on current events.




Durable goods is up, as is manufacturing. Seems that falling dollar is
good for manufacturing. and exports.

the USA is having a GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!!! courtesy of the
republicans!! everything must go!!

Odd...the CBO doesnt think so. Only those suffering the terminal
stages of BDS and their programmers in the DNC make those sort of
bull**** claims.

as i said, when you don't pay people a living wage...as the american
worker is not...and give all the money to CEO's...you can afford to
sell cheap goods.


you're proving my point, republican.

and who was the last president to balance the budget??

a democrat named 'clinton'

ROFLMAO....even CLintons CBO calls him and you a liar. There was NO
balanced budget, you utter ****wit..it was smoke and mirrors with
accounting tricks. In fact..Clinton gave us the recession when he left
that Bush had to pull the country out of when he first took office.

i guess you believe this because the current deficit is larger than
you can count on your fingers and toes even though you have 6 on each
appendage.

you're just too stupid or lazy to look up the biggest deficits since
WWII, aren't you? you just run along like the good GOP lap dog you
are...


Need the cites on that one too?

yeah...go ahead. prove to me that clinton had larger deficits than
reagan or bush. by all means, do so.




You leftards are simply suffering from BDS.

says the guy who thinks republicans wrote the 4 gospels.

Im Buddhist. I dont pay attention to gospels.

ah. you're living in an alternative universe. no wonder you're
clueless.




Say...if your Obamassiah gets into office, and the country collapses
as yall are claiming its going to do....will it be Obamas fault?

too late. the country has already collapsed. better learn chinese, my
friend.

Odd..the chinese are learning English. If the US goes down the
toilet..so will the Chinese..and a big chunk of the rest of the
planet.

that's part of the problem, isn't it? they learn english, and morons
like you don't think you need to learn anything. and the chinese will
be happy to take the US for 10 cents on the dollar. their currency is
so overvalued now, being pegged to the dollar.


On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.

seems you actually DO believe the GOP is gonna drive us to bankruptcy.
you just hate to admit it.


Ill wave as you shuffle by, carrying your personal possessions in a
cardboard box on your was to a soup kitchen

no wonder you don't see the GOP as a threat. you already live in your
basement on canned food. 4 more years of GOP leadership won't be that
much of a change for you.

wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.


Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:56:38 -0400, A Boater wrote:

wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.


Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.

Another Useless Eater heard from.

Please stay on the roadway as you pass by on your way to the FEMA tent
city, Crossing over the fence will put you into a mined area..and I
really hate putting in another mine after wasting one on you.

Gunner

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:56:38 -0400, A Boater wrote:

wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.
ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.

Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.

Another Useless Eater heard from.

Please stay on the roadway as you pass by on your way to the FEMA tent
city, Crossing over the fence will put you into a mined area..and I
really hate putting in another mine after wasting one on you.

Gunner



Sorry, dumbo, I don't live in the "red state" of Texas.
Gunner the Survivalist...coming to a Saturday morning cartoon near year.
Watch Gunner shoot himself in the foot, over and over, and then put that
same foot in his mouth.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:53:54 -0400, A Boater wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:56:38 -0400, A Boater wrote:

wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:
On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.
ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.

Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.

Another Useless Eater heard from.

Please stay on the roadway as you pass by on your way to the FEMA tent
city, Crossing over the fence will put you into a mined area..and I
really hate putting in another mine after wasting one on you.

Gunner



Sorry, dumbo, I don't live in the "red state" of Texas.
Gunner the Survivalist...coming to a Saturday morning cartoon near year.
Watch Gunner shoot himself in the foot, over and over, and then put that
same foot in his mouth.

Perhaps you can get him to tell you the story about how he lost his
toenails.

"A Boater" wrote in message
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wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.


Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.


He's in his own personal fantasy world. He thinks he's a successful
republican businessman who is living the American dream. The reality, he
lives in Taft, Calif., which is outside Bakersfield. It's one ugly place,
flat, desert-like, and nobody in their right mind ever wanted to live there.
It was a place you drove by when you went up interstate 5 from LA to
northern California. All that was there was oil wells and coyotes. He's
living a lower working class life, he's never going to get ahead, he has no
health insurance, he's already had one heart attack, and as for being a
survivalist, I give you odds that he doesn't even live four more years. So
despite his best laid plans to survive some Sci-Fi disaster fantasy in
reality he'll die in poverty leaving nothing behind but junk and his dream
of surviving will be nothing but that, a dream. Knowing what a moron he is
makes it a lot easier to completely dismiss his twisted and irrelevant
blather.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
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"A Boater" wrote in message
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wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.


Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.


He's in his own personal fantasy world. He thinks he's a successful
republican businessman who is living the American dream. The reality, he
lives in Taft, Calif., which is outside Bakersfield. It's one ugly place,
flat, desert-like, and nobody in their right mind ever wanted to live
there.
It was a place you drove by when you went up interstate 5 from LA to
northern California. All that was there was oil wells and coyotes. He's
living a lower working class life, he's never going to get ahead, he has
no
health insurance, he's already had one heart attack, and as for being a
survivalist, I give you odds that he doesn't even live four more years. So
despite his best laid plans to survive some Sci-Fi disaster fantasy in
reality he'll die in poverty leaving nothing behind but junk and his dream
of surviving will be nothing but that, a dream. Knowing what a moron he is
makes it a lot easier to completely dismiss his twisted and irrelevant
blather.

Hawke

Wow. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Broken dreams.

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:29:41 -0700, "Roy Blankenship"
wrote:


"Hawke" wrote in message
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"A Boater" wrote in message
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wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.


Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.


He's in his own personal fantasy world. He thinks he's a successful
republican businessman who is living the American dream. The reality, he
lives in Taft, Calif., which is outside Bakersfield. It's one ugly place,
flat, desert-like, and nobody in their right mind ever wanted to live
there.
It was a place you drove by when you went up interstate 5 from LA to
northern California. All that was there was oil wells and coyotes. He's
living a lower working class life, he's never going to get ahead, he has
no
health insurance, he's already had one heart attack, and as for being a
survivalist, I give you odds that he doesn't even live four more years. So
despite his best laid plans to survive some Sci-Fi disaster fantasy in
reality he'll die in poverty leaving nothing behind but junk and his dream
of surviving will be nothing but that, a dream. Knowing what a moron he is
makes it a lot easier to completely dismiss his twisted and irrelevant
blather.

Hawke

Wow. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Broken dreams.

Actually Roy..I live here intentionally. The place is fully paid off,
Ive got enough space to do pretty much what I want, the shop is
EXTREMELY well equipped, etc etc

I live in an area rich in cogeneration plants, oil infrastructure, and
surrounded by some of the most productive agriculture in the world.
Ive a very large circle of friends and aquaintences, in both that
area, including law enforcment and the city and county fathers.
Its a very Red area, where CCWs are common (unlike most of the rest of
California). The town itself is actually quite nice though its in a
bit of a depression, which is fine with me. Ive been there since
1983, and am quite comfortable there. Its my Home Base. A place to
retire, or hole up.

The parakeet of course has never been there, it being well over 25
miles off of I-5...so he really doesnt have a clue.

The town is backed up against the Temblor mountain range, being about
5 miles from the San Andres fault, good cattle grazing country, deer
hunting and about 1.5 hours from the Pacific ocean on good roads.
Several local lakes, the California aqueduct etc supply good fishing,
boating etc. Crime is very low, most households are well armed, we
have more CCW holders than law enforcement in the county. We kinda
like it that way.

It things turn to ****...Im not going to be without power...local
areas well served by cogeneration. Im not going to be without fuel,
several refineries in the area. Im not going to be without food, both
from my own crops, and from the surrounding area. I can easily barter
machining, welding, gunsmithing for food, fuel etc. I do it regularly
now..shrug. The two local machine shops borrow tooling etc from
me..G

Lots of horses in the area.

Its hot in the summer, but its high desert, not the Mojave. It doesnt
rain much, but there are many local wells, both public and private,
so water is not an issue.

We are far enough off the beaten path, that refugees from the LA area
will bypass us, and entry to the area is easily controlled. And will
be.

Ive got sufficient food, fuel, water, infrastructure laid in to keep
going in a total breakdown for up to 6 + months.
My security is pretty good, both in active and passive modes, plus
dogs etc. Being friends with a goodly number of the local law
enforcment adds some benefits as well.

When I lost my house in the '83 Coalinga Earthquake..I kept not only
my family sheltered, fed and watered, but virtually everyone on my
block as well. It took Fema etc nearly two weeks to get rolling, and
we were just hunky dorey.

I am self employed, indeed. And yes its feast or famine. And no,
unlike the Parakeet, I dont live in my moms basement and leech off
her. She is long dead..shrug. Someday the Parakeet will have to face
the outside world.

But Im doing ok, with more work coming in than I can handle most of
the time. Juggling it sometimes can be "interesting".

My health isnt all that bad. Ive got angina, havent had to take a
nitro in 3 yrs. But I AM almost 55, and have lead something of a hard
life, lots of dings, puckers, zippers on my old carcass, so its to be
expected. On the other hand, I can look down and still see my belt
buckle (the parakeet cant even see his feet...morbidly obese) and
while I cant run 3 miles anymore..I can walk/trot for days.

Ive never had a heart attack. But it did give me a warning, so Ive
changed my life style a bit, becoming less of a work a holic, eating
better etc.

If I die, my next of kin will be able to dispose of my assests and
while not be rich, will be comfortable. Its a shame the Parakeet has
so little knowlege of the Real world outside of his moms
basement....he is the sort to call a 57 Chevy...just an old car..a
junker. His ignorance is widely known, and laughed at because he
pontificates on things he is not only ignorant of, but incapable of
comprehending.

While he huddles in his chair, surrounded by rotting pizza boxes and
trash, in front of his computer, raging against the world from deep in
the heart of his Moms basement, Im puttering around in the machine
shop, or the welding shop, or simply sitting on the veranda, feet
propped up on the rail, cat in my lap, dogs at my feet, watching the
hummingbirds and noodling around on the banjo, or got one of the
sailboats out on a local lake, or the BMW scooter out on the winding
mountain roads.

Shrug..I guess we have different priorities, no? As to
surviving..shrug..no one knows if they are going to survive to
tommorow. All we can do is try to make plans, take steps etc to do
what we can for ourselves and our families in the event of an
emergency. Id be surprised if the Parakeet has a single fire
extinguisher in his home. Between the house, the shops etc..last
count I had 11. First aid kits, from simple to First Responder..and
the knowledge to use them. Id be surprised if the parakeet could
stand the sight of blood, let alone deliver a baby, or remove a hot
appendix. (Ive done both under extreme circumstances)

Shrug..let him feel smug and arrogant. Thats all he has. There is no
bottom or substance to him. I may or may not live to the average span
my family enjoys..the late 90s, but Ive LIVED and will continue to do
so.

On the other hand..I fully expect to bulldoze the Parakeets bloated
corpse into a mass grave, if Bad Things ever happen. Too bad its
likely he wont be recognizable, as Id like to **** on him in contempt
as he goes into the hole.

Gunner

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wf3h wrote:

On Sep 16, 5:18 am, Gunner Asch wrote:

On the other hand..Im a survivalist and have made plans many many
years ago to allow me to weather the crashing of the country, for
whatever reason.

ah...a survivalist. living in the idaho mountains, drooling on your
bib about plots to dilute the white race's gene stock

yeah, that explains alot.


Gunner's Ass is a survivalist? Hehehe. Well, that explains a lot of
the
drool dripping down his chin...survival of the least fit.


He's in his own personal fantasy world. He thinks he's a successful
republican businessman who is living the American dream. The reality, he
lives in Taft, Calif., which is outside Bakersfield. It's one ugly
place,
flat, desert-like, and nobody in their right mind ever wanted to live
there.
It was a place you drove by when you went up interstate 5 from LA to
northern California. All that was there was oil wells and coyotes. He's
living a lower working class life, he's never going to get ahead, he has
no
health insurance, he's already had one heart attack, and as for being a
survivalist, I give you odds that he doesn't even live four more years.
So
despite his best laid plans to survive some Sci-Fi disaster fantasy in
reality he'll die in poverty leaving nothing behind but junk and his
dream
of surviving will be nothing but that, a dream. Knowing what a moron he
is
makes it a lot easier to completely dismiss his twisted and irrelevant
blather.

Hawke

Wow. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Broken dreams.


I would too except that in addition to all that he's a prick.

Hawke