hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:

As for Palin's decision, I think it was the wrong one.

It was wrong because Palin is at the age where pregnancies for
women can mean serious trouble, both for the woman and the child
that is born. There's a close connection between Down's syndrome
and age of the mother. After 40, if memory serves, the chances of
having a child with the syndrome rise to better than one in 20.
Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was told she was
carrying a fetus with the syndrome.

She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she
should have aborted the fetus.

There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions.

It was selfishness.

So to you "Pro-Choice" means, "make the choice we want you to
make, or we'll make it for you." Huh. Sounds a lot like 1930's
Germany to me, or maybe 1940's Soviet Union under Stalin. Let Big
Brother take care of you.

If that's what Obama believes, I want no part of him.

TJ


No, being pro-choice means a woman has a choice...Palin made the
wrong choice, but it was her choice to make. That's quite a bit
different from not having a choice. But you righties don't seem to
get that difference.

No, you don't get it. I'm pro-choice, but I don't believe in making
one choice easier to make than the other, just because that's the
one I would make. It shouldn't be made easy to get an abortion, any
more than it's easy to have a child. Government should just stay out
it.

Being pro-choice to me means the woman has a choice... and no one
else has the right to second-guess the choice she makes. But lefties
and righties alike don't seem to get that. They throw their own
agendas at the poor woman while she's trying to make the most
important decision she's ever likely to make. They have no business
doing that. It's HER choice, not theirs.

I'm a moderate. That means that lefties like you think I'm really a
conservative, and righties think I'm really a liberal. I don't care
what anybody thinks. I do my own thinking.

TJ

The righties want to eliminate that "choice" for the woman. The
lefties want her to be able to have that choice. Period.

If you believe in choice, why shouldn't it be easy to obtain an
abortion?

I already answered that question. Re-read the sentence where I said it
shouldn't be made easy and you'll see it. The choice should not be
artificially weighted by government in one direction or another,
either pro- or anti-abortion. Government should stay out of it,
period. Government-sponsored free abortion-on-demand is just as wrong
as forcing the birth of the product of rape or incest. It should be
left to the people involved, not the heavy hand of government.

That's why it's called "choice." Your definition shows you do not
support choice. You support abortion.

TJ


Why should it be difficult to get an abortion, and what do you mean by
difficult?

When did I use the word "difficult" with regard to abortion? I said "not
easy." "Not easy" and "difficult" are not necessarily the same thing.

TJ

TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:

As for Palin's decision, I think it was the wrong one.

It was wrong because Palin is at the age where pregnancies for
women can mean serious trouble, both for the woman and the child
that is born. There's a close connection between Down's syndrome
and age of the mother. After 40, if memory serves, the chances
of having a child with the syndrome rise to better than one in
20. Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was told she
was carrying a fetus with the syndrome.

She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she
should have aborted the fetus.

There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions.

It was selfishness.

So to you "Pro-Choice" means, "make the choice we want you to
make, or we'll make it for you." Huh. Sounds a lot like 1930's
Germany to me, or maybe 1940's Soviet Union under Stalin. Let Big
Brother take care of you.

If that's what Obama believes, I want no part of him.

TJ


No, being pro-choice means a woman has a choice...Palin made the
wrong choice, but it was her choice to make. That's quite a bit
different from not having a choice. But you righties don't seem to
get that difference.

No, you don't get it. I'm pro-choice, but I don't believe in making
one choice easier to make than the other, just because that's the
one I would make. It shouldn't be made easy to get an abortion, any
more than it's easy to have a child. Government should just stay
out it.

Being pro-choice to me means the woman has a choice... and no one
else has the right to second-guess the choice she makes. But
lefties and righties alike don't seem to get that. They throw their
own agendas at the poor woman while she's trying to make the most
important decision she's ever likely to make. They have no business
doing that. It's HER choice, not theirs.

I'm a moderate. That means that lefties like you think I'm really a
conservative, and righties think I'm really a liberal. I don't care
what anybody thinks. I do my own thinking.

TJ

The righties want to eliminate that "choice" for the woman. The
lefties want her to be able to have that choice. Period.

If you believe in choice, why shouldn't it be easy to obtain an
abortion?

I already answered that question. Re-read the sentence where I said
it shouldn't be made easy and you'll see it. The choice should not be
artificially weighted by government in one direction or another,
either pro- or anti-abortion. Government should stay out of it,
period. Government-sponsored free abortion-on-demand is just as wrong
as forcing the birth of the product of rape or incest. It should be
left to the people involved, not the heavy hand of government.

That's why it's called "choice." Your definition shows you do not
support choice. You support abortion.

TJ


Why should it be difficult to get an abortion, and what do you mean by
difficult?

When did I use the word "difficult" with regard to abortion? I said "not
easy." "Not easy" and "difficult" are not necessarily the same thing.

TJ


Ok, I'll play. Define "not easy."

On Sep 1, 10:41*am, hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:

As for Palin's decision, I think it was the wrong one.

It was wrong because Palin is at the age where pregnancies for
women can mean serious trouble, both for the woman and the child
that is born. There's a close connection between Down's syndrome
and age of the mother. After 40, if memory serves, the chances
of having a child with the syndrome rise to better than one in
20. Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was told she
was carrying a fetus with the syndrome.

She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she
should have aborted the fetus.

There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions.

It was selfishness.

So to you "Pro-Choice" means, "make the choice we want you to
make, or we'll make it for you." Huh. Sounds a lot like 1930's
Germany to me, or maybe 1940's Soviet Union under Stalin. Let Big
Brother take care of you.

If that's what Obama believes, I want no part of him.

TJ

No, being pro-choice means a woman has a choice...Palin made the
wrong choice, but it was her choice to make. That's quite a bit
different from not having a choice. But you righties don't seem to
get that difference.

No, you don't get it. I'm pro-choice, but I don't believe in making
one choice easier to make than the other, just because that's the
one I would make. It shouldn't be made easy to get an abortion, any
more than it's easy to have a child. Government should just stay
out it.

Being pro-choice to me means the woman has a choice... and no one
else has the right to second-guess the choice she makes. But
lefties and righties alike don't seem to get that. They throw their
own agendas at the poor woman while she's trying to make the most
important decision she's ever likely to make. They have no business
doing that. It's HER choice, not theirs.

I'm a moderate. That means that lefties like you think I'm really a
conservative, and righties think I'm really a liberal. I don't care
what anybody thinks. I do my own thinking.

TJ

The righties want to eliminate that "choice" for the woman. The
lefties want her to be able to have that choice. Period.

If you believe in choice, why shouldn't it be easy to obtain an
abortion?

I already answered that question. Re-read the sentence where I said
it shouldn't be made easy and you'll see it. The choice should not be
artificially weighted by government in one direction or another,
either pro- or anti-abortion. Government should stay out of it,
period. Government-sponsored free abortion-on-demand is just as wrong
as forcing the birth of the product of rape or incest. It should be
left to the people involved, not the heavy hand of government.

That's why it's called "choice." Your definition shows you do not
support choice. You support abortion.

TJ

Why should it be difficult to get an abortion, and what do you mean by
difficult?

When did I use the word "difficult" with regard to abortion? I said "not
easy." "Not easy" and "difficult" are not necessarily the same thing.

TJ

Ok, I'll play. Define "not easy."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Are you really so stupid you don't understand what "not easy" means?

hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:
TJ wrote:
hk wrote:

As for Palin's decision, I think it was the wrong one.

It was wrong because Palin is at the age where pregnancies for
women can mean serious trouble, both for the woman and the
child that is born. There's a close connection between Down's
syndrome and age of the mother. After 40, if memory serves, the
chances of having a child with the syndrome rise to better than
one in 20. Palin must have known that risk, and apparently was
told she was carrying a fetus with the syndrome.

She shouldn't have gotten pregnant. It was selfishness. And she
should have aborted the fetus.

There's not a damned thing admirable in her decisions.

It was selfishness.

So to you "Pro-Choice" means, "make the choice we want you to
make, or we'll make it for you." Huh. Sounds a lot like 1930's
Germany to me, or maybe 1940's Soviet Union under Stalin. Let
Big Brother take care of you.

If that's what Obama believes, I want no part of him.

TJ


No, being pro-choice means a woman has a choice...Palin made the
wrong choice, but it was her choice to make. That's quite a bit
different from not having a choice. But you righties don't seem
to get that difference.

No, you don't get it. I'm pro-choice, but I don't believe in
making one choice easier to make than the other, just because
that's the one I would make. It shouldn't be made easy to get an
abortion, any more than it's easy to have a child. Government
should just stay out it.

Being pro-choice to me means the woman has a choice... and no one
else has the right to second-guess the choice she makes. But
lefties and righties alike don't seem to get that. They throw
their own agendas at the poor woman while she's trying to make the
most important decision she's ever likely to make. They have no
business doing that. It's HER choice, not theirs.

I'm a moderate. That means that lefties like you think I'm really
a conservative, and righties think I'm really a liberal. I don't
care what anybody thinks. I do my own thinking.

TJ

The righties want to eliminate that "choice" for the woman. The
lefties want her to be able to have that choice. Period.

If you believe in choice, why shouldn't it be easy to obtain an
abortion?

I already answered that question. Re-read the sentence where I said
it shouldn't be made easy and you'll see it. The choice should not
be artificially weighted by government in one direction or another,
either pro- or anti-abortion. Government should stay out of it,
period. Government-sponsored free abortion-on-demand is just as
wrong as forcing the birth of the product of rape or incest. It
should be left to the people involved, not the heavy hand of
government.

That's why it's called "choice." Your definition shows you do not
support choice. You support abortion.

TJ


Why should it be difficult to get an abortion, and what do you mean
by difficult?

When did I use the word "difficult" with regard to abortion? I said
"not easy." "Not easy" and "difficult" are not necessarily the same
thing.

TJ


Ok, I'll play. Define "not easy."

I'll bet you're still debating the meaning of "is," aren't you? I don't
intend to play word games with you. I've made my position clear, and so
have you.

TJ

wrote:
On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:41:06 -0400, hk wrote:

When did I use the word "difficult" with regard to abortion? I said "not
easy." "Not easy" and "difficult" are not necessarily the same thing.

TJ

Ok, I'll play. Define "not easy."

I would say after some counseling and time to assess the reality of
killing a potential child.
Some women/girls have serious guilt problems they never get over.
I am basically pro choice but it should be an informed choice, not a
spur of the moment decision.


Time is of the essence in seeking an abortion.

A woman has to consult with her doctor. Whether she should consult with
anyone else is a decision best left to the woman.