Tim wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:40 pm, hk wrote:

Yeah, and to this day, the attacks on the Stark have not been fully
explained.



I'm sure Larry could explaine it, though. Of course, it was all backed
by Masonic Jewish bankers that have ties with the Illuminatti,
but........


I don't mean "that" explanation. We know what happened.

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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


BTW .... Uncle Z is considered by many (me included) to be one of the
worst things that ever happened to the US Navy.

Eisboch
Why is that?


While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force.
He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular basis,
much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch

Surely you are not referring to his policies to reduce discrimination
against women and minorities? The navy was a hotbed of discrimination for
decades.

Surely, I am not.

I am referring to policies that began to erode traditional chain of command
structures.
But, never mind. You and I would never agree on this type of subject.

Eisboch

On Aug 15, 6:51*am, hk wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:40 pm, hk wrote:

Yeah, and to this day, the attacks on the Stark have not been fully
explained.

I'm sure Larry could explaine it, though. Of course, it was all backed
by Masonic Jewish bankers that have ties with the Illuminatti,
but........

I don't mean "that" explanation. We know what happened.

?: )

Eisboch wrote:
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news On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


BTW .... Uncle Z is considered by many (me included) to be one of the
worst things that ever happened to the US Navy.

Eisboch
Why is that?

While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force.
He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular basis,
much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch
Surely you are not referring to his policies to reduce discrimination
against women and minorities? The navy was a hotbed of discrimination for
decades.

Surely, I am not.

I am referring to policies that began to erode traditional chain of command
structures.
But, never mind. You and I would never agree on this type of subject.

Eisboch



Eisboch,
Congratulations. I was wondering when you would realize this.

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
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news On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


BTW .... Uncle Z is considered by many (me included) to be one of the
worst things that ever happened to the US Navy.

Eisboch
Why is that?

While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force.
He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular basis,
much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch
Surely you are not referring to his policies to reduce discrimination
against women and minorities? The navy was a hotbed of discrimination for
decades.

Surely, I am not.

I am referring to policies that began to erode traditional chain of command
structures.
But, never mind. You and I would never agree on this type of subject.

Eisboch




Whatever Zumwalt did, it had less of a negative effect on the military
than the policies of Bush, Cheney, and that idiot secretary of defense
who stepped down.

Eisboch wrote:
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Eisboch wrote:
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news On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


BTW .... Uncle Z is considered by many (me included) to be one of the
worst things that ever happened to the US Navy.

Eisboch
Why is that?

While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force.
He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular basis,
much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch
Surely you are not referring to his policies to reduce discrimination
against women and minorities? The navy was a hotbed of discrimination for
decades.

Surely, I am not.

I am referring to policies that began to erode traditional chain of command
structures.
But, never mind. You and I would never agree on this type of subject.

Eisboch




You never know. What policies?

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:41:18 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force. He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular
basis, much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch

Disregarding his Z-Grams, his ideas about many, cheaper ships, as opposed
to fewer, expensive ships, makes sense to me. In WWII, many/most of the
German weapons systems were superior to ours, but in a war, numbers
matter, and we produced the numbers. We seem to have become enthralled
with technology, and I'm not sure it's the right direction. The Zumwalt
destroyer seems to be a good example.

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news On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


BTW .... Uncle Z is considered by many (me included) to be one of the
worst things that ever happened to the US Navy.

Eisboch
Why is that?

While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force.
He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular basis,
much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch
Surely you are not referring to his policies to reduce discrimination
against women and minorities? The navy was a hotbed of discrimination
for decades.

Surely, I am not.

I am referring to policies that began to erode traditional chain of
command structures.
But, never mind. You and I would never agree on this type of subject.

Eisboch


You never know. What policies?

I should correct myself. Not all were bad.
He relaxed many traditional regulations however that were taken advantage of
by many, causing discipline and moral problems.
Certainly not intended to do so, the relaxation of some regulations led to a
sharp increase of drug use and abuse for example.

Eisboch

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:18:06 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I should correct myself. Not all were bad. He relaxed many traditional
regulations however that were taken advantage of by many, causing
discipline and moral problems. Certainly not intended to do so, the
relaxation of some regulations led to a sharp increase of drug use and
abuse for example.

Eisboch

That might have been a symptom of the times. After Vietnam, morale
wasn't at it's highest, either.

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news On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:23:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


BTW .... Uncle Z is considered by many (me included) to be one of the
worst things that ever happened to the US Navy.

Eisboch
Why is that?
While CNO, he instituted many liberal "social" changes in the Navy that
really did nothing to improve the character or spirit of a military
force.
He was famous for his "Z-Grams" which were issued on a regular basis,
much like a modern day Blog.

Others may disagree, but I don't think his policies were productive.

Eisboch
Surely you are not referring to his policies to reduce discrimination
against women and minorities? The navy was a hotbed of discrimination
for decades.
Surely, I am not.

I am referring to policies that began to erode traditional chain of
command structures.
But, never mind. You and I would never agree on this type of subject.

Eisboch

You never know. What policies?

I should correct myself. Not all were bad.
He relaxed many traditional regulations however that were taken advantage of
by many, causing discipline and moral problems.
Certainly not intended to do so, the relaxation of some regulations led to a
sharp increase of drug use and abuse for example.

Eisboch




Well, now, I'm sure we'd agree that any policy adopted by the military
that led to an increased use of illegal drugs would be a bad one. While
I believe possession of personal amounts of marijuana should be
completely decriminalized for the general population, I don't believe
such relaxation should extend to the military.

So, so far you are incorrect on whether we would agree.