On Aug 7, 1:49*pm, wrote:
On Aug 7, 3:25*am, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:41:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter
than CA. *In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears
in the 70s as the hull number. *In AZ they said that isn't a hull
number and I need to put one on my boat. *It is just a 12' aluminum
jon boat.

How would one go about attaching this number?

Write it somewhere with a magic marker. If they argue, Show them the
magic marker you used, which has the word "permanent" printed on the
label.

Sounds good to me, but for some reason I don't think that would fly.
I did paint the registration numbers on though, and with red paint
instead of black (boat is gray), instead of buying those decals
everyone uses... so I'm already asking for trouble =]

Please check salty's history before you listen to anything he says..
He likes to troll and is a boating poser, it's more of a social status
thing, it's a long story.. Anyway, get the chunk of metal, stamp it
in, and rivit it to the boat. I won't argue the reasoning, but they
want it attached permanantly so they can better tell if you are using
it on more than one boat.. Magic marker can be easily painted over.. A
placard leaves signs of being moved or re-used.. I won't argue the
reasoning, but that's just the way they see it, at least around here..

On Aug 6, 6:30*pm, wrote:
Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it
with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are
not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..-

The silly thing is, I could just take that same number and put it on 2
or 3 boats, since I'm making the number myself and attaching it, and
there is no inspection of the process. Granted, I'd have to get some
extra tags each year, or move those from boat to boat... and I'm not
interested in cheating the system anyway (even if the fees are double
what they where in CA).

The motor vehicle department has a much better system... when I
registered my homemade trailer, they attached a sticker with the
number on it at the time of the inspection, before I got the
registration/title. They made me sand it down to bare metal where
they attached the sticker, and the sticker has a lot of special
printing on it and is tamper proof, so not just a sticker I could
easily recreate on a normal printer.

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On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote:

On Aug 6, 8:41 pm, wrote:

I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter
than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears
in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull
number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum
jon boat.

How would one go about attaching this number?

Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it
with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are
not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..

Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought
about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how
dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and
not something good). I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just
used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out
of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that
should work. Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the
number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so
screws should work well.

Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it
isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers
inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue
if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they
normally just ask for registration).

Take it by the police station and ask to borrow their engraver. Etch the
numbers into the hull.

On Aug 7, 2:04*pm, wrote:
On Aug 6, 6:30*pm, wrote:

Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it
with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are
not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..-

The silly thing is, I could just take that same number and put it on 2
or 3 boats, since I'm making the number myself and attaching it, and
there is no inspection of the process. *Granted, I'd have to get some
extra tags each year, or move those from boat to boat... and I'm not
interested in cheating the system anyway (even if the fees are double
what they where in CA).

The motor vehicle department has a much better system... when I
registered my homemade trailer, they attached a sticker with the
number on it at the time of the inspection, before I got the
registration/title. *They made me sand it down to bare metal where
they attached the sticker, and the sticker has a lot of special
printing on it and is tamper proof, so not just a sticker I could
easily recreate on a normal printer.

You got it.. You could put it on several boats, but here and there you
get stopped and checked for this and that.. If they see anything
supicious or check the numbers etc. Good luck whichever way you go,
just get that hull wet before the summer is over..

On Aug 7, 2:11*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote:

On Aug 6, 8:41 pm, wrote:

I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter
than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears
in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull
number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum
jon boat.

How would one go about attaching this number?
Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it
with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are
not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..

Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought
about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how
dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and
not something good). *I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just
used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out
of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that
should work. *Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the
number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so
screws should work well.

They make screws with special heads that can only be turned in one
direction (in) with normal tools.. I have seen them in public
buildings for railings and signage.. Pobably get them at any hardware
store.. Also iirc a DEP guy told me once that grinding the slot off
of a screw after installation would pass muster..

Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it
isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers
inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue
if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they
normally just ask for registration).

It only takes a turn of his head to see if the plate is there.. Most
jurisdictions are pretty specific as to where they can be put.. but
always in plain sight...

Take it by the police station and ask to borrow their engraver. *Etch the
numbers into the hull.

Again, easier to paint over than a plack, I could be wrong here so you
could ask your locals, but I don't think they want that.. Again, on
that point don't take my word for it..

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:58:08 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 7, 1:49*pm, wrote:
On Aug 7, 3:25*am, wrote:

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:41:27 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter
than CA. *In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears
in the 70s as the hull number. *In AZ they said that isn't a hull
number and I need to put one on my boat. *It is just a 12' aluminum
jon boat.

How would one go about attaching this number?

Write it somewhere with a magic marker. If they argue, Show them the
magic marker you used, which has the word "permanent" printed on the
label.

Sounds good to me, but for some reason I don't think that would fly.
I did paint the registration numbers on though, and with red paint
instead of black (boat is gray), instead of buying those decals
everyone uses... so I'm already asking for trouble =]

Please check salty's history before you listen to anything he says..
He likes to troll and is a boating poser, it's more of a social status
thing, it's a long story.. Anyway, get the chunk of metal, stamp it
in, and rivit it to the boat. I won't argue the reasoning, but they
want it attached permanantly so they can better tell if you are using
it on more than one boat.. Magic marker can be easily painted over.. A
placard leaves signs of being moved or re-used.. I won't argue the
reasoning, but that's just the way they see it, at least around here..


WHOOSH!!!!!!

More evidence that JustFrekin is a complete moron. Eselk2 understood
me completely.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Probably a typo, but could be that the tool is 1/4" round and the
letters/numbers are only 1/8". They have some others too though, so
I'm sure one of the others is probably more clear.

The tool would be square, as that is better and not especially more
expensive. All the ones I have ever seen were square.

Casady

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On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote:

On Aug 6, 8:41 pm, wrote:

I just registered my boat in AZ, and these guys are a lot stricter
than CA. In CA they just used the serial number stamped on by Sears
in the 70s as the hull number. In AZ they said that isn't a hull
number and I need to put one on my boat. It is just a 12' aluminum
jon boat.

How would one go about attaching this number?

Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it
with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are
not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..

Thanks, I was thinking about a thin metal plate, but had only thought
about rivits.. and I have no experience with rivits so not sure how
dificult that would be (especially if I just got a cheap-o tool and
not something good). I hadn't thought about screws, I bet if I just
used sheet metal screws and then grinded them or stripped the heck out
of them (to the point you couldn't remove just by unscrewing) that
should work. Plus, the inside part of where I'll be attaching the
number has a 5/8" board on it (for clamping the motor/engine) so
screws should work well.

Also, I should mention that I already have my registration, so it
isn't like some states (I imagine) where you have to have the numbers
inspected prior to registration... so it really only will be an issue
if an officer stops me on the water and wants to take a look (they
normally just ask for registration).

If you lived up here, all you'd have to do is keep the outboard size under
10hp.
No licencing or registering required.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:11:21 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

You got it.. You could put it on several boats, but here and there you
get stopped and checked for this and that.. If they see anything
supicious or check the numbers etc. Good luck whichever way you go,
just get that hull wet before the summer is over..

Do the water cops ever check the reg numbers?
Reason I ask is here in Illinois you renew your car sticker every
year. The sticker is a couple inches long and a 1/2 inch wide.
Gets stuck on the plate.
The cops look at that, because I got stopped once after forgetting to
put the new sticker on.
The only thing readable without getting real close is month
and year of expiration. There's a very tiny serial number but the
average cop would need a magnifier to read it.
Couple weeks ago my kid noticed his sticker was missing.
Some lame-ass had actually peeled it off, leaving a corner
behind, probably to stick it on his own expired plate.
If he gets stopped and the cop runs the plate, it'll probably
be flagged as expired, but I don't know for sure.
Cost the kid 20 bucks for a replacement sticker.
They should go back to new plates every year, which is job creation
for the convicts.

--Vic

If they're like the stickers used here Florida they are self-destructing if
they are removed. Now maybe some bad guys know some secret how to get them
without destroying them.

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On Aug 6, 6:30 pm, wrote:
Well, you can probably stamp it into a hunk of metal and attach it
with permanant screws or rivits.. They just want to know that you are
not moving it from boat to boat on weekends..-

The silly thing is, I could just take that same number and put it on 2
or 3 boats, since I'm making the number myself and attaching it, and
there is no inspection of the process. Granted, I'd have to get some
extra tags each year, or move those from boat to boat... and I'm not
interested in cheating the system anyway (even if the fees are double
what they where in CA).

The motor vehicle department has a much better system... when I
registered my homemade trailer, they attached a sticker with the
number on it at the time of the inspection, before I got the
registration/title. They made me sand it down to bare metal where
they attached the sticker, and the sticker has a lot of special
printing on it and is tamper proof, so not just a sticker I could
easily recreate on a normal printer.

Years ago, when I did a homebuilt car carrier. The DMV here in Calif,
stamped the numbers into the frame. My boat trailer has a sticker and is
almost impossible to read anymore.